MC with ssl web browser

[hawkknite]

Is it possible to use MC with ssl browser!

I guess you need more info.

I have 20 Neoware capio 611 and i would like to make them web kiosk's without a server.
I know you can use links.. and dillo2 but they look kinda corky. (not for normal user)

problem #1 16mb flash, i know i can upgrade flash, but trying to keep cost minimal
problem #2 32mb ram, have to ugrade not an option. do have a few 64mb & 128MB so-dimms
problem #3 Browser with SSL, probably have to use opera, unless someone knows a lighter
browser that look good with ssl compatable w/MC
problem #4 No Usb Boot (I can use HP t5000 to write the neoware Flash)

OK is it even feasable to do.
I am new here and i enjoy TC/MC
but i am new with linux, so i'm not that great with remastering...
I spend most of my days repairing M$ crap.

Thanks for any info
Hawwknite

[gerald_clark]

Opera supports https connections.
Is there a specific question here?
Have you tried running TC on these machines?

[hawkknite]

Thank for to quick reply

yes

16 mb ata flash drive is all i have to work with.
and how to start opera automatic with MC


Please keep in mind i am a n00b



thanks

[curaga]

32mb ram, no, you won't be running any kind of big-ish X app there, not even Opera. With so little ram, the best way would be to use them as thin clients (which is coincidentally what they were designed for .

[hawkknite]

Thanks for the reply

The issue is not ram I have ram I can swap out 64MB and 128MB

the issue is putting Micro Core on the 16mb Flash and boot to a web Browser (opera)

I would rather not use opera it's not really free, But I'm limited on space, ssl works ebay lookes like ebay
Java is OK, don't need flash, only what required for online banking.

If there is another browser smaller than opera, that looks good and will work on MC please let me know.

thanks
hawkknite

 

[curaga]

It's rather hard to beat opera 9 with no deps; midori and arora are lighter themselves, but if you add in their deps, they might be larger.

Java - even compressed, java 5 was near 40 mb. Java 6 is even larger.

The user experience won't be good if you're swapping before even loading the first site..

[hawkknite]

Thanks for the reply

I guess my next question is do i need a windows manager or can Opera start from command line on boot up If so how can i do this.

I know it's a tight squeeze with only 16mb hard drive space, But i like a challenge.
I realize these thin client are not the best one to work with, but if I can make it usable like a net appliance for on-line email, e bay and simple web surfing that would be great.     a really cheap alternative for a second PC, very limited but cheap.

I am a total n00b, wish I would have started learning Linux years ago.

I spend most of my days repairing M$ crap, Change to Ubuntu 8 month ago, so my command line is lacking. But i am willing to learn!

I enjoy open source, it has come a long way. and with MC/TC it is a great base to start
I like load to ram approach, it's like a brand new OS every time you boot.


also i did find some 256mb ram that i can replace the original 32mb

I really appreciate everyone help. 

thanks

Hawkknite

[hawkknite]

Did find a interesting browser that may be able to work on TC called Hv3

don't think it has Java but web pages look good. and it has been compiled for puppy linux

http://tkhtml.tcl.tk/hv3.html

[robc]

I guess my next question is do i need a windows manager or can Opera start from command line on boot up If so how can i do this.

You don't need a window manager, you can use a web browser as the 'window manager'. Here is a link to a kiosk thread with some info about this:http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=2954.0

16MB may be a little small for what you are trying to do. To be able to put everything you want into 16MB you will need to remaster and take out all the parts of MC that you don't need (ie unused modules, binaries). Doing this can reduce the size of MC further (2-4MB depending on how much removed). Also Busybox can be rebuilt with only what is necessary for your system, this should reduce size also.

I would recommend using at least a 32MB flash drive, you will have a bit more room to play with, though using java may still be a problem. What about using a networked drive? Or manually downloading and installing each extension upon boot with bootlocal.sh? If you have 256MB RAM you should have enough room for everything you want, though the boot time will be slow.

[curaga]

Hv3 is written in TCL, so it's by definition slow; also the html engine likely won't interpret latest sites well.

[^thehatsrule^]

FYI, the default wm is probably much lighter than jwm.

[^thehatsrule^]

I recall a quick comparison was done with the previous jwm (stable) that was in the base, during runtime after startup... and was only a small difference in favour of flwm*.  (sure, that's a naive test, but compiling statically doesn't really paint a true runtime picture either).  Assuming one is using TC (or equivalent), other base utilities use fltk.

If jwm could have been compiled better, by all means, please share (see TCE section)

[MakodFilu]

The reasoning behind TC using flwm over jwm is here:

http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=1537.0

[Edit]: For some reason I was linking the 2.0rc1 thread, when flwm was presented as alternative in 2.0rc2

[curaga]

libs not used by the browser - this is highly subjective, with enough digging I bet there's a browser using fltk or imlib2.

Interesting topic, but /me wonders the necromance when OP last posted in Jan. Carry on..

[^thehatsrule^]

Does that apply to any version of jwm? >= stable?  (And by TCE section, I meant to post there, but that's alright)

heh.. might've noticed if I read more of the thread (which was probably obvious) - but point taken curaga