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Offline Mauricio

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What program do you use to burn a Tiny Core ISO in a CD-R?
« on: February 06, 2024, 12:17:34 PM »
Hello  :)

I'm trying to install Tiny Core to an old Pentium II 450MHZ with 128mb of RAM.

I noticed it is not possible to boot from a pendrive (the option didn't appear in the boot order options), so i'm forced to burn CDs.

I tried to burn the CorePlus ISO in different CDs but none of them is read by the PC, the drive makes some noises like it is trying to read them but it can't.

I assume it may be because of some special configuration at the burning process that might be needed for this very old hardware to boot from a CD?

Thank you, I just joined the community!  ;D

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Re: What program do you use to burn a Tiny Core ISO in a CD-R?
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2024, 12:43:48 PM »
Hi Mauricio,

I would suggest   brasero
which has editions for Windows, Linux and Mac. Be sure to write it as a "bootable" image and not only a "copy"
TinyCore, SliTaz, LinuxMint, Tails, Mac ...

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Re: What program do you use to burn a Tiny Core ISO in a CD-R?
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2024, 12:54:13 PM »
Hi Mauricio
Welcome to the forum.

Using  cdr-tools.tcz , first identify your CD burner:
Code: [Select]
tc@E310:~$ cdrecord --scanbus
Cdrecord-ProDVD-ProBD-Clone 3.02a09 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2016 Joerg Schilling
Linux sg driver version: 3.5.36
Using libscg version 'schily-0.9'.
scsibus0:
        0,0,0     0) 'ATA     ' 'MB0500EBNCR     ' 'HPG1' Disk
        0,1,0     1) *
        0,2,0     2) *
        0,3,0     3) *
        0,4,0     4) *
        0,5,0     5) *
        0,6,0     6) *
        0,7,0     7) *
scsibus2:
        2,0,0   200) 'ATA     ' 'MB0500EBNCR     ' 'HPG1' Disk
        2,1,0   201) *
        2,2,0   202) *
        2,3,0   203) *
        2,4,0   204) *
        2,5,0   205) *
        2,6,0   206) *
        2,7,0   207) *
scsibus4:
        4,0,0   400) 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVD-ROM GDR8164B' '0D08' Removable CD-ROM
        4,1,0   401) 'Optiarc ' 'DVD+-RW ND-3570A' '104B' Removable CD-ROM
        4,2,0   402) *
        4,3,0   403) *
        4,4,0   404) *
        4,5,0   405) *
        4,6,0   406) *
        4,7,0   407) *
scsibus6:
        6,0,0   600) 'TEAC    ' 'USB   HS-CF Card' '4.08' Removable Disk
        6,1,0   601) *
        6,2,0   602) *
        6,3,0   603) *
        6,4,0   604) *
        6,5,0   605) *
        6,6,0   606) *
        6,7,0   607) *
tc@E310:~$
Find the entry that contains  CD RW  or  DVD RW.
In my case that is:
Code: [Select]
4,1,0   401) 'Optiarc ' 'DVD+-RW ND-3570A' '104B' Removable CD-ROM
The command to burn a CD is then:
Code: [Select]
cdrecord dev=4,1,0 speed=10 padsize=63s -pad -dao -v -eject Path/To/Filename.iso

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Re: What program do you use to burn a Tiny Core ISO in a CD-R?
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2024, 12:56:02 PM »
Hi Mauricio,

I would suggest   brasero
which has editions for Windows, Linux and Mac. Be sure to write it as a "bootable" image and not only a "copy"

Thank you chattrhand, I will try that one.

I tried Xfburn and wodim but neither worked. Maybe it's a hardware problem? That computer has at least 26 years old... but I don't want to dump it yet  :-\

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Re: What program do you use to burn a Tiny Core ISO in a CD-R?
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2024, 12:59:10 PM »
Hi Mauricio
Welcome to the forum.

Using  cdr-tools.tcz , first identify your CD burner:
Code: [Select]
tc@E310:~$ cdrecord --scanbus
Cdrecord-ProDVD-ProBD-Clone 3.02a09 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2016 Joerg Schilling
Linux sg driver version: 3.5.36
Using libscg version 'schily-0.9'.
scsibus0:
        0,0,0     0) 'ATA     ' 'MB0500EBNCR     ' 'HPG1' Disk
        0,1,0     1) *
        0,2,0     2) *
        0,3,0     3) *
        0,4,0     4) *
        0,5,0     5) *
        0,6,0     6) *
        0,7,0     7) *
scsibus2:
        2,0,0   200) 'ATA     ' 'MB0500EBNCR     ' 'HPG1' Disk
        2,1,0   201) *
        2,2,0   202) *
        2,3,0   203) *
        2,4,0   204) *
        2,5,0   205) *
        2,6,0   206) *
        2,7,0   207) *
scsibus4:
        4,0,0   400) 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVD-ROM GDR8164B' '0D08' Removable CD-ROM
        4,1,0   401) 'Optiarc ' 'DVD+-RW ND-3570A' '104B' Removable CD-ROM
        4,2,0   402) *
        4,3,0   403) *
        4,4,0   404) *
        4,5,0   405) *
        4,6,0   406) *
        4,7,0   407) *
scsibus6:
        6,0,0   600) 'TEAC    ' 'USB   HS-CF Card' '4.08' Removable Disk
        6,1,0   601) *
        6,2,0   602) *
        6,3,0   603) *
        6,4,0   604) *
        6,5,0   605) *
        6,6,0   606) *
        6,7,0   607) *
tc@E310:~$
Find the entry that contains  CD RW  or  DVD RW.
In my case that is:
Code: [Select]
4,1,0   401) 'Optiarc ' 'DVD+-RW ND-3570A' '104B' Removable CD-ROM
The command to burn a CD is then:
Code: [Select]
cdrecord dev=4,1,0 speed=10 padsize=63s -pad -dao -v -eject Path/To/Filename.iso

Thank you Rich.

This machine does't have a CD burner, so I will have to wait like a week or so to get access to one with it.

It is possible to burn that CD with Tiny Core in live mode?
« Last Edit: February 06, 2024, 01:10:41 PM by Mauricio »

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Re: What program do you use to burn a Tiny Core ISO in a CD-R?
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2024, 01:03:33 PM »
Hi Mauricio
By live mode, if you mean you boot from a thumb drive, then yes.
After you boot, use the  Apps  utility to install  cdr-tools.tcz.

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Re: What program do you use to burn a Tiny Core ISO in a CD-R?
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2024, 01:09:55 PM »
Hi Mauricio
By live mode, if you mean you boot from a thumb drive, then yes.
After you boot, use the  Apps  utility to install  cdr-tools.tcz.

Great, I will try it as soon as I can.

It would be better if I chose speed=1 to avoid prossible data corruption in the burning process?

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Re: What program do you use to burn a Tiny Core ISO in a CD-R?
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2024, 01:28:36 PM »
Hi Mauricio
I would try 10. I don't know if they ever made any drives
that slow in the last 15 years. 10 is safe.

This is from 2012:
https://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,13173.msg72774.html#msg72774

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Re: What program do you use to burn a Tiny Core ISO in a CD-R?
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2024, 01:38:29 PM »
Hi Mauricio!
You should ask @CNK, he's a big fan of CDs and presumably knows the proper ways to burn them.

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Re: What program do you use to burn a Tiny Core ISO in a CD-R?
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2024, 01:43:16 PM »
Hi Mauricio! Haven't You suppose transplanting the old HD into another box, installing TC and then transplanting it back to the host? I mean that 26-year old CD-ROM may have forgotten the tricks he was playing when it was young ;-) Have You an approvements that it is still able to do anything but producing some sounds?
« Last Edit: February 06, 2024, 01:49:35 PM by jazzbiker »

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Re: What program do you use to burn a Tiny Core ISO in a CD-R?
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2024, 02:04:16 PM »
Hi Mauricio! Haven't You suppose transplanting the old HD into another box, installing TC and then transplanting it back to the host? I mean that 26-year old CD-ROM may have forgotten the tricks he was playing when it was young ;-) Have You an approvements that it is still able to do anything but producing some sounds?

Hello jazzbiker.

I tried that one but when I put the HDD back to the host and turn it on it displays:

SYSLINUX 6.03 EDD 2014-10-06 Copytight (C) 1994-2014 H. Peter Anvin et al

and sometimes stays that way forever. Other times it displays that message and then only a blinking cursor forever. I tried doing this with another HDD (in case that the original HDD were damaged) but it seems like I need to install some sort of driver to use it (it asks for some Compaq diskette that I don't have).

And about the CD drive: It uses a different connector than IDE, a smaller one. I don't think I have another motherboard with that smaller connector to plug it.
However, I think the Pentium II has an extra IDE connector, do you think I could use a DVD drive in that old PC? I'm sure I have an extra DVD drive arround.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2024, 02:22:20 PM by Mauricio »

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Re: What program do you use to burn a Tiny Core ISO in a CD-R?
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2024, 03:08:39 PM »
I tried that one but when I put the HDD back to the host and turn it on it displays:

SYSLINUX 6.03 EDD 2014-10-06 Copytight (C) 1994-2014 H. Peter Anvin et al

and sometimes stays that way forever. Other times it displays that message and then only a blinking cursor forever. I tried doing this with another HDD (in case that the original HDD were damaged) but it seems like I need to install some sort of driver to use it (it asks for some Compaq diskette that I don't have).

So the behaviour of the original HDD and another one differs? Looks like an original one really have some problems.

And about the CD drive: It uses a different connector than IDE, a smaller one. I don't think I have another motherboard with that smaller connector to plug it.
However, I think the Pentium II has an extra IDE connector, do you think I could use a DVD drive in that old PC? I'm sure I have an extra DVD drive arround.

At Your place I'd try another DVD drive if You are sure this drive is functional, but I have no predictions on the success, maybe old Compaq BIOS have its own vision.

You may try writing (dd-ing) the InstantCore.img (see http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,26658.0.html) to the HDD externally and then see whether Your PC will enjoy booting from it. This image is grub2-based and includes both CorePlus and TinyCorePure content, so if it will boot successfully You will get everything necessary for the kick-start.

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Re: What program do you use to burn a Tiny Core ISO in a CD-R?
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2024, 04:11:32 PM »
Hi Mauricio
Welcome to the forum.

Using  cdr-tools.tcz , first identify your CD burner:
Code: [Select]
tc@E310:~$ cdrecord --scanbus
Cdrecord-ProDVD-ProBD-Clone 3.02a09 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2016 Joerg Schilling
Linux sg driver version: 3.5.36
Using libscg version 'schily-0.9'.
scsibus0:
        0,0,0     0) 'ATA     ' 'MB0500EBNCR     ' 'HPG1' Disk
        0,1,0     1) *
        0,2,0     2) *
        0,3,0     3) *
        0,4,0     4) *
        0,5,0     5) *
        0,6,0     6) *
        0,7,0     7) *
scsibus2:
        2,0,0   200) 'ATA     ' 'MB0500EBNCR     ' 'HPG1' Disk
        2,1,0   201) *
        2,2,0   202) *
        2,3,0   203) *
        2,4,0   204) *
        2,5,0   205) *
        2,6,0   206) *
        2,7,0   207) *
scsibus4:
        4,0,0   400) 'HL-DT-ST' 'DVD-ROM GDR8164B' '0D08' Removable CD-ROM
        4,1,0   401) 'Optiarc ' 'DVD+-RW ND-3570A' '104B' Removable CD-ROM
        4,2,0   402) *
        4,3,0   403) *
        4,4,0   404) *
        4,5,0   405) *
        4,6,0   406) *
        4,7,0   407) *
scsibus6:
        6,0,0   600) 'TEAC    ' 'USB   HS-CF Card' '4.08' Removable Disk
        6,1,0   601) *
        6,2,0   602) *
        6,3,0   603) *
        6,4,0   604) *
        6,5,0   605) *
        6,6,0   606) *
        6,7,0   607) *
tc@E310:~$
Find the entry that contains  CD RW  or  DVD RW.
In my case that is:
Code: [Select]
4,1,0   401) 'Optiarc ' 'DVD+-RW ND-3570A' '104B' Removable CD-ROM
The command to burn a CD is then:
Code: [Select]
cdrecord dev=4,1,0 speed=10 padsize=63s -pad -dao -v -eject Path/To/Filename.iso

I tried this method but instead of using cdrecord I used wodim, which apparently is a fork of cdrecord (which is not available in Debian repositories). I used all the arguments you suggested.

I got the same result as always. PC will try to read it but won't.

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Re: What program do you use to burn a Tiny Core ISO in a CD-R?
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2024, 04:22:03 PM »
I tried that one but when I put the HDD back to the host and turn it on it displays:

SYSLINUX 6.03 EDD 2014-10-06 Copytight (C) 1994-2014 H. Peter Anvin et al

and sometimes stays that way forever. Other times it displays that message and then only a blinking cursor forever. I tried doing this with another HDD (in case that the original HDD were damaged) but it seems like I need to install some sort of driver to use it (it asks for some Compaq diskette that I don't have).

So the behaviour of the original HDD and another one differs? Looks like an original one really have some problems.

And about the CD drive: It uses a different connector than IDE, a smaller one. I don't think I have another motherboard with that smaller connector to plug it.
However, I think the Pentium II has an extra IDE connector, do you think I could use a DVD drive in that old PC? I'm sure I have an extra DVD drive arround.

At Your place I'd try another DVD drive if You are sure this drive is functional, but I have no predictions on the success, maybe old Compaq BIOS have its own vision.

You may try writing (dd-ing) the InstantCore.img (see http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,26658.0.html) to the HDD externally and then see whether Your PC will enjoy booting from it. This image is grub2-based and includes both CorePlus and TinyCorePure content, so if it will boot successfully You will get everything necessary for the kick-start.

I don't think the original HDD is damaged, it's just that the PC won't even recognize the new HDD, it shows the capacity of the new HDD but nothing else. I think I need to install some kind of firmware to be able to use other HDD than the machine one. It shows a message asking for a floppy disk with Compaq software, which I don't have.

I tried plugging a DVD drive to the free IDE slot of the motherboard, and using an external power supply to power it. Nothing. The PC won't recognize it, It didn't show in the boot options. The drive was working, I tried it on other machine.

I didn't understand the last part, what do you mean by dd-ing the InstantCore.img? That sounds interesting.

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Re: What program do you use to burn a Tiny Core ISO in a CD-R?
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2024, 04:34:54 PM »
I didn't understand the last part, what do you mean by dd-ing the InstantCore.img? That sounds interesting.

It means that an image is written to the drive with the help of dd utility. As far as I understand You have Debian up and running. Are You not familiar with dd utility? Sorry, I didn't catch the question.