Tiny Core Linux
Tiny Core Extensions => TCE Talk => Topic started by: jpeters on March 15, 2009, 08:49:43 AM
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Got my first notice about needing a flash upgrade:
http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/cnbc/?r=3074&id=2992-1904009-kqJbUjx
(Requires more than copying the version 10 libflashplayer.so to /opera/plugins)
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See the faq:
http://tinycorelinux.com/faq.html#flash
Currently Flash 10 is not compatible with TC.
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See the faq:
http://tinycorelinux.com/faq.html#flash
Currently Flash 10 is not compatible with TC.
Yeah...well I think it needs to be....Being able to access things like facebook and the news is
basic to using a browser. Flash 10 integrates fine with a (fairly) lightweight OS like puppy. Hope there is a not_too_painful solution.
Edit: Flash 10 requires libcurl3, libnspr4-0d, libnss3-1d, and libssh2-1 to function
Edit2: ...guess it requires more than that..I tried installing libs above, and still didn't work.
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Yeah, besides curl and firefox libs, it needs glibc > 2.4
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Didn't work with support libs + glib-2.4.1, although I used a minimal 2.2M package
edit: don't think glib is the issue. It could be Opera, but didn't have any luck with a downloaded Firefox version either (although that seemed to crash with either version....)
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Note that glib is not glibc
glibc is the core (gnu) c library. If changed, it can drastically affect the system.
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Note that glib is not glibc
glibc is the core (gnu) c library. If changed, it can drastically affect the system.
oops... :).
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it's times like this that it's obvious how important free software is.
if adobe didn't call the shots, websites would have the good sense to support gnash. but adobe calls the shots, because gnash is still a dream. 5 years from now, i hope adobe is not still loading the internet with proprietary content... and i'm not saying it to sound "cool." i'm saying it because the internet is not supposed to be viewable only through plugins controlled by a single corporation. no better if microsoft loses at branding the internet, and adobe wins.
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There's probably a place for both. At least companies like Adobe, Skype, etc, are now offering linux support, and putting out quality products. I'm currently using Opera (and Skype). Last I checked, Adobe was far ahead of any freeware project, although I'd love to see some competition.
From Ars Technica, Oct 17, 2008:
"The web collectively got a bit shinier this week with Adobe's release of Flash Player 10. The new version offers designers a compelling set of new features including support for rich 3D visual effects, a new antialiasing engine, an improved drawing API, support for color management, and enhanced support for streaming audio and video content. With this release, Adobe is clearly taking steps to ensure that Flash stays ahead of the curve and won't lose traction in the face of competitive pressure from Silverlight."
Also noted was better support for "alternative operating systems"
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glibc is the core (gnu) c library. If changed, it can drastically affect the system.
I just built and installed glibc-2.8.8 into /usr/local/lb ..... haven't noticed any adverse effects yet.
edit: Flash 10 Crashed Firefox 2.0.0.20, with error:
edit2: Same error with Seamonkey 1.1.14
Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/generic/dl-tls.c: 75: _dl_next_tls_modid: Assertion `result <= _rtld_local._dl_tls_max_dtv_idx' failed!
edit: conflict between different versions of libs?
Flash 9 works great...
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I had built glibc 2.7 on TC last fall and had no success with Flash 10 though I had all the dependencies met. I did not look into why as I was lightly experimenting.
On one hand, there is desire for TC to use uclibc for smaller size. On the other, there is a desire for an updated glibc to support some more modern apps like flash. For the time being, I think glibc-2.3.6 fits into a happy medium as it is smaller than the current glibc yet is compatible with most things other than Flash 10. Not to mention it is very stable.
Not that there will never come a time to upgrade glibc, but as it is the single most important part of the system it is an upgrade that would require much testing and consideration.
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I tried a remaster, updating /lib with glibc-2.8.8 + the modules, udev, libuuid, etc. from the present release. It booted okay, but didn't load any extensions. Aterm just flashed, so I couldn't really do much with it. I wasn't expecting much, but wanted to give it a try.
edit: I got it loading with aterm, the appsbrowser, and control panel...it doesn't load mountpoint, so can't get to hd. I might be wrong, but it doesn't seem like it would be much trouble upgrading glibc (for someone who knew what they were doing :) ) Cost looks like about +5M (perhaps it could be stripped down) Note: this includes files to /sbin /etc/ /lib, and /libexec
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Not that there will never come a time to upgrade glibc, but as it is the single most important part of the system it is an upgrade that would require much testing and consideration.
okay...lfs
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Here is someone who got flash 10 working without changing glibc to 2.4 - maybe a tce can be developed from it?
http://svolli.org/software/eeepc/#flash10patcher
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I had seen that before and was going to try it but forgot the url. The new flash player is built against glibc-2.4 to include stack smashing protection, and the flash patcher simply makes the flash binary request glibc-2.3. I tried the flash patcher on the latest flash, and it crashed the instant I went to youtube. But it was worth a try.
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sooner or later youtube isn't going to work in tc anymore, and i'm going to have to go back to downloading the flv file everytime i want to see a video, and i'm really going to hate adobe for this.
before this flash business, at least you could watch mpg files in a browser with a plugin. i often wish flash had never been invented, but now that it is we're saddled with this kind of nonsense.
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If you really need to use 10, there are always the older versions that did not require glibc 2.4 to try.
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Patch didn't work on firefox or opera.
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If you really need to use 10, there are always the older versions that did not require glibc 2.4 to try.
You right. I just tested Flash Player 10 Beta 1 (10.0 b218). And it works very well in TC.
http://www.google.pl/search?q=flashplayer10_install_linux_051508.tar.gz (http://www.google.pl/search?q=flashplayer10_install_linux_051508.tar.gz)
It support HQ clips in You Tube, and it's even faster than Flash 9.0.48. You can use this benchmark to check for yourself.
http://www.craftymind.com/factory/guimark/GUIMark_Flex3.html (http://www.craftymind.com/factory/guimark/GUIMark_Flex3.html)
I created an extenison that's very similar to getFlash9. It works with Minefield 3.0.4 and Opera 9.64, but there's some problems with perfomance in Opera. It slow down sometimes.
--------Links removed by Jason W due to licensing issues----------
Edit: It doesn't work with Seamonkey 1.1.15
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See the faq:
http://tinycorelinux.com/faq.html#flash
Currently Flash 10 is not compatible with TC.
Rather current TC is not compatible with Flash 10.
flashplayer-installer reports:
ERROR glibc library older than 2.3. Please update your glibc library.
What now?
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See the faq:
http://tinycorelinux.com/faq.html#flash
Currently Flash 10 is not compatible with TC.
What now?
To be or not to be
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It's obvious that Adobe still has no concept of what it means to share your software. If you create a binary-only application, you have to consider that not every operating system you claim to support is going to rush out and upgrade everything. If you support only the latest glib, you support only a small handful of distributions.
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It's obvious that Adobe still has no concept of what it means to share your software.
they have no intention of pushing people to develop gnash, it's better to say they're helping linux users develop compatible systems with new efforts. they know exactly what sharing means and they'll stall it as long as they can with new features and empty gestures. it's not about helping linux users, it's about helping themselves.
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It's obvious that Adobe still has no concept of what it means to share your software. If you create a binary-only application, you have to consider that not every operating system you claim to support is going to rush out and upgrade everything. If you support only the latest glib, you support only a small handful of distributions.
On the other hand, with a glibc that's already four years old, and most distros able to upgrade, some constructive criticism may be justified. It's fine with me when a decision has been made to support old systems, as the case with DSL. Personally, I'd like the tc modular concept with only the basics in the core, so it can be updated regularly....leaving the work of rebuilding extensions to the community. Since the browser is a basic essential, I wouldn't expect someone to hang around if videos don't run.
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Updates, libraries and kernel will come when ready. You have your choice of flash9 or now, as noted above in this very thread, flash10. I am using flash10 without issues. I am not aware of vidoes not working with TC.
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You right. I just tested Flash Player 10 Beta 1 (10.0 b218). And it works very well in TC.
http://www.google.pl/search?q=flashplayer10_install_linux_051508.tar.gz (http://www.google.pl/search?q=flashplayer10_install_linux_051508.tar.gz)
It support HQ clips in You Tube, and it's even faster than Flash 9.0.48. You can use this benchmark to check for yourself.
http://www.craftymind.com/factory/guimark/GUIMark_Flex3.html (http://www.craftymind.com/factory/guimark/GUIMark_Flex3.html)
I created an extenison that's very similar to getFlash9. It works with Minefield 3.0.4 and Opera 9.64, but there's some problems in with perfomance in Opera. It slow down sometimes.
----------Links removed by Jason W due to licensing issues-------------
Okay, i installed these and put libflashplayer.so in /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib and /usr/lib/opera/plugins...
flash video works beautifully at 30fps, but cannot get flash audio working in Opera...
Using PPI setup, OSS is installed on boot, and soundon is turned on before running opera... but still, no audio from flash presentations...
is there something i'm overlooking?
??? Help?!?
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Updates, libraries and kernel will come when ready. You have your choice of flash9 or now, as noted above in this very thread, flash10. I am using flash10 without issues. I am not aware of vidoes not working with TC.
That's funny.....I thought it was a joke, but Adobe comes through! Let's get serious though, all your developers swore off having anything to do with flash 10 upgrades. Thanks to neonix for the news and
links.... :)
edwbri: You need flashplayer.xpt in you opera/plugin folder, then it should work. (I think it's in the getFlash.tce extension).
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The beta 1 version of flash player 10 working with glibc 2.3.6 is not news. The beta 2 version is when the glibc requirements were upped:
http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2008/08/library_expansion.html
edwbri: You need to rename one of the files in /usr/lib/oss/lib to libflashsupport.so. One is a ssl version and one is without, I normally use the one that is without. Then restart OSS.
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The beta 1 version of flash player 10 working with glibc 2.3.6 is not news. The beta 2 version is when the glibc requirements were upped:
http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2008/08/library_expansion.html
edwbri: You need to rename one of the files in /usr/lib/oss/lib to libflashsupport.so. One is a ssl version and one is without, I normally use the one that is without. Then restart OSS.
..meaning "news" that someone got it working with tc. I have no idea why it's working without any of the stated requirements (which is why I didn't take the original post seriously). This must be an earlier beta version before the requirements were upped.
Jason: I don't have that file in /usr/lib/oss/lib, and OSS sound works fine.
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Life had me in a ill mood this morning, I'm a little more cheery now.
I thought the libflashsupport.so was needed for flash sound with OSS. It is great if it is working without it.
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I thought the libflashsupport.so was needed for flash sound with OSS. It is great if it is working without it.
it's probably in another folder. i often "install" it by copying that file, and the .xpt one. that's for version 9, presumably i could install version 10 that way too.
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Flash9.tce puts it in /usr/lib. BTW/ It's a little confusing to have the install script listed as getFlash, since someone would be looking for "flash" in the appsbrowser.
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edwbri: You need flashplayer.xpt in you opera/plugin folder, then it should work. (I think it's in the getFlash.tce extension).
:-[ ... i cannot find that flashplayer.xpt file. it's not in getFlash9.tce nor in getFlash10.tce... it's not in the flashplayer tar.gz or tar.bz2 packages from adobe (versions 9 and 10)
any other place for me to look? Or, would it be possible to receive it via email?
I did install the libflashsupport.so file into the various areas as suggested. Still no sound...
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I think getFlash installs a script for downloading the files and building flash9.tce. Then just install flash9.tce and the files should go to the right places. (check the getFlash info file).
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libflashsupport.so is the OSS library for supporting Flash, not the same as libflashplayer.so. They are two different files.
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libflashsupport.so is the OSS library for supporting Flash, not the same as libflashplayer.so. They are two different files.
Libflashsupport is in flash9.tce, and installs to /usr lib (at least it is in my copy).
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libflashsupport.so is the OSS library for supporting Flash, not the same as libflashplayer.so.
ohhh... right (thanks)
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libflashsupport.so is the OSS library for supporting Flash, not the same as libflashplayer.so.
ohhh... right (thanks)
even with flash so big trubble! :-\
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It's funny, but after building my own system not only don't I care about flash10, but I don't even want X, given all the extra files. There's some really advantages to text browsing.....
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There's some really advantages to text browsing.....
in theory, yes. i love links (at times) but crappy or nonexisting javascript support (many sites inoperable without it) and afaik tinycore does not have the textmode driver for the mouse (i always think it's called gdm, but that's the login manager for ubuntu/other enormous distros, right?) and pointing and clicking is more efficient than scrolling through lots of links on a webpage. i know, because i used to use arachne and using it without the mouse was intolerable for any "serious browsing."
personally i think that no website should depend on flash (if it can't be done with gnash, don't do it!) but sites like youtube, blip and vimeo are important because they connect the world in a way that text just can't.
pictures are overrated (in fact i almost always surf with pictures off) but when you're doing work online all day, turning pictures on can be very refreshing. naturally, links can do very nice things in a framebrowser. but then you get to css. a lot of sites are quite usable without it (some i think are better) but the way the nutcases at the w3c push everyone to put one div per line and then use css to bring all the divs into a table (or this is just how table-free design is interpreted) 2 page websites become 20 page websites in text browsers or without css.
in theory, text browsing is good. in practice, it's becoming very tedious and sometimes impossible. we need better text browsers with more features to browse reasonably- but sometimes we just need graphical browsers, where "we" refers to most people. if you're happy using only links, we could envy you. but you're probably making sacrifices too. i agree though, there are some advantages. my favorite use for links is when i want to download just one thing from the net booting tc into cloud mode, or just look up one thing in a search engine or wikipedia.
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Text browsers like elinks have mouse support. It's just nice to run a system without the 200+ extra files needed to support X. (also no possibility of ads, lots of speed, script to your favorite pages, superfast search functions, etc., etc..)
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Text browsers like elinks have mouse support.
in other distros, not in tc yet. (not without x.)
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Text browsers like elinks have mouse support.
in other distros, not in tc yet. (not without x.)
elincs works great in tc without x; I just tried it.
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how did you get the mouse working? i was using it inside qemu today, no mouse or cursor that i can tell.
the mouse works if i use it in x in a term, probably regardless of mode. are you using the framebuffer?
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how did you get the mouse working? i was using it inside qemu today, no mouse or cursor that i can tell.
the mouse works if i use it in x in a term, probably regardless of mode. are you using the framebuffer?
I see what you're saying....I chroot into a system without x, and it works because mouse drivers are loaded in ram.....otherwise there wouldn't be mouse support.
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I see what you're saying....I chroot into a system without x, and it works because mouse drivers are loaded in ram.....otherwise there wouldn't be mouse support.
there is another, less fancy way, but i don't remember what it's called. (it sounds like "gdm.") as an extension it would allow mouse use without x being installed, presumably with but (importantly) without the framebuffer. then there's the matter of no elinks extension... there is links but one has limited javascript support, the other doesn't?
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The latest flash 10 beta that I could find (and, it works ;) is:
http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_linux_091508.tar.gz
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I see what you're saying....I chroot into a system without x, and it works because mouse drivers are loaded in ram.....otherwise there wouldn't be mouse support.
there is another, less fancy way, but i don't remember what it's called. (it sounds like "gdm.") as an extension it would allow mouse use without x being installed, presumably with but (importantly) without the framebuffer. then there's the matter of no elinks extension... there is links but one has limited javascript support, the other doesn't?
I just submitted elinks 0.11.6, which has CSS support. You can configure to work with zgv viewer.
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The latest flash 10 beta that I could find (and, it works ;) is:
http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_linux_091508.tar.gz
when I install it I got plugin not present in both opera and firefox
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when I install it I got plugin not present in both opera and firefox
i installed/ran getFlash9.tce, went to: http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=tn_15507
Your Player Version: LNX 9,0,159,0
then found libflashplayer.so in /usr/local/firefox/plugins, untarzipped the new tar.gz, sudo su, cp libflashplayer.so /usr/local/firefox/plugins then restarted the browser (the browser closed during the copy.)
the player version is no longer reported, youtube stopped playing videos, this method didn't install it. although the newer version of getFlash9.tce stops some of the "you need the latest flash player" messages.
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the player version is no longer reported, youtube stopped playing videos, this method didn't install it. although the newer version of getFlash9.tce stops some of the "you need the latest flash player" messages.
So if youtube doesn't play videos, your flash is not working
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if youtube doesn't play videos, your flash is not working
i was deliberately implying that. i'm not very skeptical that someone has the above linked flash10 working, but the most obvious way of installing it to me (on top of the usual version in tc) isn't doing it. the question is how did he, because we already know some users here have managed to install flash 10 (robert included, based on his posts earlier.)
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If you really need to use 10, there are always the older versions that did not require glibc 2.4 to try.
You right. I just tested Flash Player 10 Beta 1 (10.0 b218). And it works very well in TC.
http://www.google.pl/search?q=flashplayer10_install_linux_051508.tar.gz (http://www.google.pl/search?q=flashplayer10_install_linux_051508.tar.gz)
It support HQ clips in You Tube, and it's even faster than Flash 9.0.48. You can use this benchmark to check for yourself.
http://www.craftymind.com/factory/guimark/GUIMark_Flex3.html (http://www.craftymind.com/factory/guimark/GUIMark_Flex3.html)
I created an extenison that's very similar to getFlash9. It works with Minefield 3.0.4 and Opera 9.64, but there's some problems with perfomance in Opera. It slow down sometimes.
-------------Links removed by Jason W due to licensing issues--------------
Edit: It doesn't work with Seamonkey 1.1.15
the 051508 is working 4 me
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i wonder if they'll add his getFlash10.tce to the repository? no reason we can't have both.
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The only thing I did to get the beta flash 10 (built against an older glibc it seems) working, for minefield was to copy libflashplayer.so to /usr/local/firefox/plugins/ . Nothing else was required. Aside: a lot easier for me to do each boot (I'm booting off of a CD) than using appbrowser to load extensions (tce-load fails, silently, for me .. still using TC 1.2).
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maybe u are using PPI mode and u have the extension u try to install in /usr/local/tce.installed. Remove the file in this dir and try to load the extension again.
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Nope, not PPI mode - boot anew each time from the CD (and ext= doesn't work - think only wks with an install). And I don't have any of the progs under /usr/local/tce.installed before attempting to load them. Eventually I'll remaster and it won't really matter so much anymore.
Thanks,
P
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The only thing I did to get the beta flash 10 (built against an older glibc it seems) working, for minefield was to copy libflashplayer.so to /usr/local/firefox/plugins/ . Nothing else was required.
exactly what i did, and flash stops running. either you and robert are using a different version (i used one linked to in this thread) or one of you is installing or configuring something i'm not. using tc 1.2.
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The latest Flash 10 is working nicely in TC 2.0alpha. There is also a getFlash10.tce in the repo for it. Like mentioned in the alpha release announcement, do not mix tce repos between TC 1.x and TC 2.x as they have different kernel and libc versions. If you feel like alpha testing then Flash 10 is only one click away.
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there will be two repositories then, one for each (major) version?
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Yes, there will be a new repo for a major version change since a major version will bring new kernel and/or libc. This way the 1.x repo is preserved for those who would like to continue using 1.x. The apps that are not kernel related or depend on kernel module extensions have been copied to the 2.x repo and are ready for use.
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Yes, there will be a new repo for a major version change since a major version will bring new kernel and/or libc. This way the 1.x repo is preserved for those who would like to continue using 1.x.
oh i love you guys, seriously... i wonder how robert would feel if i sent a few dollars to anyone else on his team, as he insists on being the digital philanthropist, distributing his wealth and refusing "compensation." (i love how the riaa has turned "compensation" into a filthy word.) i like the idea of giving to free software projects, i especially like the idea of having a lot more money to give them! i do think "gratis" should always be a real option, i don't like being pressured and i don't think everyone that builds on free software transforms it (or even maintains it) as much as robert has.
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Hi Tobiaus,
Maybe you don't care about the following if you've already gone to 2.0 ... . I'm not exactly sure what happened when you tried to install flash 10, but if your browser crashed while you were doing the copy, perhaps that had something to do with it -> I really didn't try to do any special config or anything. If the browser is recognizing it, then it should show up when you enter in "about:plugins" as a URL.
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The getflash10.tce posted in this thread was not submitted, so it is not in the extension area. We prefer submitting extensions rather than posting links, and those that are submitted are normally posted the same day or the next. Submissions from anyone are welcomed and encouraged.
I will upload this getflash10.tce to the repo since there is a desire for it in TC 1.x.
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Upon a closer look, I see that the getflash10.tce extension that was posted retrieves adobe flash player from a 3rd party site. Adobe licensing does not permit this. I removed the links in this thread since the getflash10.tce is not following adobe's distribution policy. This is the bad news.
As getflash10.tce was a simple modification to Robert's getflash9 I will use the download linkd provided by ps in this thread to create the extension with.
I will talk more on posting links in the guidelines thread.
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Getflash 10 works for both opera and minefield/firefox in 2.0. It is also much faster than getflash 9 was for 1.0 as the download is so much smaller.
You need to install and start the browser first. And OSS. And turn OSS sound on.
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One shouldn't need to manually turn sound on anymore, the action is now in the extension install script
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Upon a closer look, I see that the getflash10.tce extension that was posted retrieves adobe flash player from a 3rd party site. Adobe licensing does not permit this. I removed the links in this thread since the getflash10.tce is not following adobe's distribution policy. This is the bad news.
As getflash10.tce was a simple modification to Robert's getflash9 I will use the download linkd provided by ps in this thread to create the extension with.
I will talk more on posting links in the guidelines thread.
I would hope that 2.x will work with current flash10 releases.
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Upon a closer look, I see that the getflash10.tce extension that was posted retrieves adobe flash player from a 3rd party site. Adobe licensing does not permit this.
and here i thought the new flash was cc-licensed (which would permit it.) that said i agree that it's better to download binaries directly from the author.
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I'd be really surprised if that happens anytime soon. I'm guessing the support module was mixed up in this.
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well, getflash9 works in 1.x and getflash10 is working in 2.x. i'm not sure based on reading everything here if the getflash10 (downloaded it today) is still using the naughty 3rd party site (i like the fact that tc's repository goes by the book) i only know that i've used flash 10 in tc.
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the flash 10 051508 is working 4 me on my p3 and also on my amd 560 but not on my p2 (talking about tinycore 1.4)
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The 2.x version of getflash10 downloads the latest flash from the adobe site, presently version 10,0,22,87. From what I read adobe only allows downloads directly from their site.
I will post the getflash10.tce that uses the download link directly from adobe for TC 1.x. It is on my long to do list.
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The 2.x version of getflash10 downloads the latest flash from the adobe site, presently version 10,0,22,87. From what I read adobe only allows downloads directly from their site.
I will post the getflash10.tce that uses the download link directly from adobe for TC 1.x. It is on my long to do list.
last time I checked, nothing worked but the old beta version. Do you have this working? Also, does someone have an updated compiletc?
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Compiletc has been factored out into other extensions.
The old beta version is what the getflash10 would be for TC 1.x. I recommend just using flash 9 with TC 1.x. But as there is interest in the flash 10 beta for 1.x I will get around to packaging it.
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The old beta version is what the getflash10 would be for TC 1.x. I recommend just using flash 9 with TC 1.x.
obviously there should only be so many versions in the 1.x repo as work for 1.x. i realize there is a beta version that should work in 1.x... but for something used by as many people as flash, when there is no way to modify or redistribute the plugin itself anyway, i would prefer that both versions 9 and 10 be available, instead of just 10. by the time flash 17 is out this may no longer be sensible, but i suspect there will be people that want or need flash 9, in 1.x or 2.x, and it's only a download script after all.
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I attempted an install script of the beta version of Flash 10 that works with TC 1.x but it seems flashplayer10_install_linux_051508.tar.gz is no longer available by adobe. I did try.
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it seems flashplayer10_install_linux_051508.tar.gz is no longer available by adobe. I did try.
thanks for trying. what about flash 9 in tc 2.x?
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Though there is probably very little demand for it, I think having the option for Flash 9 in TC 2.x would be good.