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Core v4.2rc3
Rich:
Hi newbody
--- Quote ---The word deprecated? hm have to look up.
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Here is my definition:
--- Code: ---Deprecated - A term used to describe something that is considered obsolete and will no
longer be supported or available.
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newbody:
--- Quote from: Rich on December 23, 2011, 11:11:58 AM ---Hi newbody
--- Quote ---The word deprecated? hm have to look up.
--- End quote ---
Here is my definition:
--- Code: ---Deprecated - A term used to describe something that is considered obsolete and will no
longer be supported or available.
--- End code ---
--- End quote ---
Thanks Rich
But that still to me not being a native speaker does mean that it do work if one stand the disapproval
that it do work if somebody tell how to do it but that it is not supported in that one should not expect
to get official help but maybe would get help from otehrs who also ahve NTFS HD and still love TCL
for it's unique approach and not want to give up on it?
Do you remember if somebody has written that them do boot Core 4.2RC3 on NTFS?
It works so well now when I am in 4.1 so can I not borrow files from 4.1?
floppy:
--- Quote from: newbody on December 23, 2011, 11:09:52 AM ---
Does it means impossible even with nfs-3g.tcz or just discouraged to avoid
that people ask about it on the forum. Does it mean that it works very well but
that RobertS and the team don't want questions about it on the forum so that one
are on ones own and get no help but that it do work as good as in 4.1 which
my post show due to I am able to write this.
Or is core so changed that it is totally impossible to boot? What would be needed
then to get it to boot apart from formatting a partition or using USB? For how long will
TCL 4.1 be supported with repo?
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I personally dont participate for a discussion of NTFS or not: one time, I helped a colleague for installing TCL on a lenovo netbook with a hdd with ntfs/FAT partitions.
a) we created a linux boot partition for TCL 1GB if I remember (with gparted from tcl on usb)
b) a FAT32 partition for exchanging files between XP/Linux
So, we implemented a multiboot XP/Linux with grub4dos. No need for TCL on ntfs (so, no reson for me to push here..).
A usb is a very clean thing: since you create one (or a sd card on an usb adapter), you can carry your usb (or your sd card) anywhere in the world and boot any (nearly) computer with it! (and your pc)
example: ff somebody is at work and want to read its private mails in the lunch time, it can reboot its pc with the USB (and tcl on it) and connect via usb modem to the net (not via the company network).
The same in internet cafe if the owner accept it.
Or one time I was in a computer shop here in Germany: I wanted to see the internet prices for a samsung N150. I changed the bios setup of the samsung N150 netbook. I booted it with the usb stick. I goes into the internet via my usb modem and could see the internet prices of it (5 minutes for it). Nobody asked for something in the big shop. Nobody complained. I used a shop PC to compare prices.
So, as per bmarkus advice, make a usb.. you will have no regrets.
Personally, I often boot the ubuntu 10.04 notebook from my wife with a tcl on SD card. Its much quicker.
But, why not, I understand you would like to migrate your tcl/nfts system with only few efforts.
roberts:
This statement by bmarkus
--- Quote ---Finally I got it up and running from USB stick after many trials and discussing with Robert. The key point is, that you can't use the same partition for tce directory and cde. With other words it means, that single FAT partitioned setup is not supported, you need a second LINUX partition for tce. tce= boot option to this partition will create tce and its sub directories and will be found automatically at next boot.
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Indicates a mis-understanding is still present.
You can have a single FAT partition on a USB boot with boot files and tce dir. Just use the tc-install program as provided on CorePlus
On the other hand using third party installation tools is not and cannnot be automatic.
bmarkus insteads chooses to use unetbootin. Obviously unetbootin does not "know" about our distribution, i.e., not listed in the drop choices. Therefore using unetbootin simply copies the entire iso to target.
Obviously on a cdrom we cannot have a tce dir. It would be READ_ONLY and nothing would work insofar as adding extensions. That is why there is a cde directory in the iso! It is also a fact that one cannot have two tce directores in the same partition. Nothing new about that,
It should be obvious that one can use the TinyCore CD or the CorePlus CD READ_ONLY devices to process and access any tce directory on a writable store, i.e., works as expected.
Therefore if one insists on using a third party installation tool and one that does not officially support Core and thereby copies the entirety of the TinyCore iso then you are faced with manual setup of either creating a second partition for your tce dir, or renaming the cde to tce thus indicating that this is not a CD and editing the syslinux.cfg changing cde to waitusb=5 to indicate that is a pendrive.
Then all works as expected.
It is not recommended to have a cde directory on any live working system. The whole point of modularity is the ability to easily upgrade the X/GUI extension separate from the base Core. As witnessed by my recent reposts of Xlibs and Xprogs individually.
Therefore in the case of unetbootin renaming cde to tce is recommended.
Of course it is highly recommended to use CorePlus, much work has gone into this to make an easy and effortless installation with whatever window manager you prefer.
newbody:
floppy I am not here to talk NTFS at all. I hate it too.
I am here to get TCL 4.2RC3 booting and working
on a computer that happen to have NTFS on it and
TCL 4.1 does boot from NTFS so I wanted to know
how do I get this new one to boot despite it is discouraged.
I do have a nfs-3g.tcz that allow that to happen in 4.1 and
some few versions back? 4.0 and maybe even older???
So RobertS does deprecated mean physically and software
impossible or just that you don't want to deal with it anymore.
Can I not borrow files from 4.1 to get it going on 4.2?
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