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Rich:
Hi grandma
I think that's the correct order. I do want to point out that the latest version of  Flash10  does not
work with  Opera10, so you should consider  Opera11  or maybe  Opera12. If you search the
forum there is a recent thread (August) concerning  Flash10  and  Opera. I suggest you look for
it and read it.

On a side note, considering the amount of time you've spent bypassing the way Tinycore is
designed to work, to try to force it to work the way you think it should, you probably could have
completed the Linux From Scratch tutorial and built what you wanted to begin with. Just my two
cents, but you might want to take a look at the  LFS  website anyway.

grandma:
Tried Opera 11 - still no flash...(once or twice - yes - consistent - no)

and it kept bombing on some sites - like the godaddy email login - "big security risk" (hate when browsers do that)

at any rate - spent several days "trimming ram" - boot loads etc. - and FF still crashes, but not as often - may be RAM related as I believe Curaga (or Rich) first suggested.

FF "crashes less" now - that's a good thing.

As for writing linux from scratch - as I "entered the world of TC" - yes - absolutely - I considered it - and after writing a few small utilities - getting them to work - yes - absolutely - I guess I could develop "a new distro" - or a "Svolli style version" of TC - thought about all of that.

...but my "gig" has never been systems programming - hated it - hats off to all of you who do it - my "fun" rests in delivering aps for users (usually custom aps) - and watching their wish list turn into something that bumps their bottom line. As a friend says "I asked what time it was, not how the watch worked".

It is what allows clients to take a scratched "wish it could" and make it a reality - and makes them smile.

Few of them will recognize the advantages of a TC platform - fast, tight, robust. I did and said "Hmmm...if you were going to write a suite for lawyers (something I did ages ago), wouldn't this be a nifty platform for them - or anyone - IF (big IF) - they didn't have to configure it the way techs do here - at this forum."

You go to a puppy forum - blissfully happy users - aside from the bugs in that distro - but for the most part, whether by "marketing" or "somewhat based in reality" - they have "this fear" of being a TC user...same with Knoppix users and most others - and every once in awhile someone in one of those forums will try TC and it usually knocks their socks off - "WOW - ya  should'a seen how fast it ran - etc."

And then someone else will say "Yeah, but ya gotta spend hours configuring it."

And I know RobertS and the rest are trying really hard to cure that image.

And I just had a feeling you would. I said "Why write a new OS - this one has 3000+ repoz and growing, a nice, smart tech base to draw from - about a million $ plus in talent - and was based on a philosophy I do adore - tight - toss out the bloat - (although I am so so sick of Busy Box bugs - but I'll live) and if I could just "tame the beast" while re-learning sh scripting - well I might get something really neat.

I did - and have something really neat that runs in TC - or any Linux - and am going to keep polishing that. Since the FF and Opera bugs are pretty much OS independent, its not as if those issues will disappear no matter where I park my hat.

So...why not write a new one? Rich - silly wabbit - do ya really think I could write something as nice as TC? For all its bugs, its still the best game in town.

grandma:
Yeah team

I was using the "Adobe recommended" method - get their GZ - and go extract and stuff it in etc.

I found the README file in /usr/local/lib/opera-11/plugins - and tried putting libflashplayer.so in that folder - then adjusted Opera path to find plugins - poof - got sound and video

now I have "scripted" it so it does that before running Opera

Rich had mentioned "Grandma - ya'all are shootin yerself in the foot by doing these things manually" - and to some extent - absolutely true...but by mapping out key components that "don't always load as expected" (results often vary by PC / Laptop etc) - I can run a QC check to verify something happened - is working - and if not, I can go hammer it into place.

Anyway - Opera played Flash videos - twice in a row (rebooted - worked again).

If it does it three times in a row - then I can stop using Firefox to browse the web - having something that crashes every 3 minutes is sorta like - ummmmmmm - windows?!?

Rich:
Hi grandma
If your scripts are loading or running things asynchronously by backgrounding them that might
explain why sometimes things appear to work and sometimes they don't. For example, if you are
loading flash backgrounded and then launch the browser there is no guarantee that flash will be
there when the browser checks to see if it's available.
I only mention this because you seem to have written scripts to do everything and may have created
some race conditions. If you are running things in parallel there are no guarantees on the order
they will complete in from one day to the next.

grandma:
I noticed that - for example scripts that start on load now wait until the see JWM show up in the PS command. So scripts that have "dependencies" typically I sit and wait for a file to "show up" - then even sleep for 1 or 2 seconds to let the dust settle - then go on.

So far though - I have to say for me anyway - the system I have built is 1000 times more reliable than my Windows was (not hard to do with even bubble gum and paperclips) and has become far easier for me to "customize" than the original TC was (ahem - I know I am slow but you may recall it was several months before I could even get a background to stick - ouch).

Onward with this topic:

Opera does play flash now - reliably - and in addition to setting the preferences (stuffing into /home/tc/,opera-11/operaprefs.ini) I also set the PLUGIN PATH - which goes to the folder mentioned in prior post. Opera has a pluginpath.ini file - so I set that (keep a copy) and stuff it into the dot folder before running Opera (with a SH script). The result is consistent home page, consistent flash availability and contrary to  the TC README file in the /usr/local/lib/opera-11 folder suggestion... ooops - Opera does NOT look there unless you TELL it to go look there.

I am sure a straight boot/TC method might get around this, but this is another example of having to "write a patch" (the script) to do what Opera won't do.

Another thing Opera will not do - flash video autoplay - not sure how to get around that. I get a big giant ARROW (play button) in the middle of the flash video - and was reading that it has to do with the conversion to html5 etc. - which would mean (pain) I'd have to go through all my sites and revamp the code rather than using the good old youtube embed feature that always worked - and still works in Firefox....most of the time.

Speaking of Firefox, though this might go to the other post on Firefox crashing...I did find a work-around that stops that crashing, but so as not to "double post" here, I'll go put it in that other post.

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