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TCB Talk / Re: Lenovo Thinkpad Synaptics - 2 finger scroll not working.

« Last post by Sashank999 on November 20, 2024, 10:42:13 PM »

Hi Sashank999
I take it you are running Xorg. What does this return:

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sudo libinput list-devices

Thank you for looking into this.

Here is what I got:

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tc@box:~$ sudo libinput list-devices
Device:           Power Button
Kernel:           /dev/input/event2
Group:            1
Seat:             seat0, default
Capabilities:     keyboard
Tap-to-click:     n/a
Tap-and-drag:     n/a
Tap drag lock:    n/a
Left-handed:      n/a
Nat.scrolling:    n/a
Middle emulation: n/a
Calibration:      n/a
Scroll methods:   none
Click methods:    none
Disable-w-typing: n/a
Disable-w-trackpointing: n/a
Accel profiles:   n/a
Rotation:         0.0

Device:           Video Bus
Kernel:           /dev/input/event6
Group:            2
Seat:             seat0, default
Capabilities:     keyboard
Tap-to-click:     n/a
Tap-and-drag:     n/a
Tap drag lock:    n/a
Left-handed:      n/a
Nat.scrolling:    n/a
Middle emulation: n/a
Calibration:      n/a
Scroll methods:   none
Click methods:    none
Disable-w-typing: n/a
Disable-w-trackpointing: n/a
Accel profiles:   n/a
Rotation:         0.0

Device:           Sleep Button
Kernel:           /dev/input/event1
Group:            3
Seat:             seat0, default
Capabilities:     keyboard
Tap-to-click:     n/a
Tap-and-drag:     n/a
Tap drag lock:    n/a
Left-handed:      n/a
Nat.scrolling:    n/a
Middle emulation: n/a
Calibration:      n/a
Scroll methods:   none
Click methods:    none
Disable-w-typing: n/a
Disable-w-trackpointing: n/a
Accel profiles:   n/a
Rotation:         0.0

Device:           AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
Kernel:           /dev/input/event3
Group:            4
Seat:             seat0, default
Capabilities:     keyboard
Tap-to-click:     n/a
Tap-and-drag:     n/a
Tap drag lock:    n/a
Left-handed:      n/a
Nat.scrolling:    n/a
Middle emulation: n/a
Calibration:      n/a
Scroll methods:   none
Click methods:    none
Disable-w-typing: n/a
Disable-w-trackpointing: n/a
Accel profiles:   n/a
Rotation:         0.0

Device:           PS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
Kernel:           /dev/input/event5
Group:            5
Seat:             seat0, default
Capabilities:     pointer
Tap-to-click:     n/a
Tap-and-drag:     n/a
Tap drag lock:    n/a
Left-handed:      disabled
Nat.scrolling:    disabled
Middle emulation: disabled
Calibration:      n/a
Scroll methods:   *button
Click methods:    none
Disable-w-typing: n/a
Disable-w-trackpointing: n/a
Accel profiles:   flat *adaptive custom
Rotation:         0.0

Edit: My laptop has both a touchpad and the "trackpoint" thing so I don't know if they are both being recognized. Mine is a Lenovo ThinkPad L412, Intel Core i3 6th Gen, 4GB RAM.

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General TC Talk / Re: Could be [tiny]core improved?

« Last post by nick65go on November 20, 2024, 07:50:32 PM »

Taken into account that TC focuses on compatibility to older CPU (ex:i486), but just partially (because firefox asks for better CPU),  plus not many users contributing back to TC, then is OK to take for free what someone can, and not be picky (like me?):

- X-org runs (by default) as user=root (it is bad!), allows key-press shared (= spy!) between apps.
- Some apps use different versions of the shared library (lib-poppler?).
- Some library written in rust (not C), like librsvg becoming 3x bigger in time.
- Security of packages checked by md5 (weeker than sha256), in year 2024.
- Only few apps use FLTK, the rest 99% as size/number of tcz from total repo, use GTK* or QT as GUI.

I mean ... I could continue the list, but the intention is not to criticize;
If someone wants to spend time to compile from source (for percevied security) there are other distros (Gento) which provide even the scripts for EACH package to do it (Archlinux, Alpine). There are not demanding distro (DSL, Puppy) for lower resources; for modern hardware are the big boys (Fedora, OpenSUSE, Ubuntu, Debian).

If the sources and instructions to compile them are for free everywhere, even the compiled binaries provided for free; standard linux kernels, standard linux file herarchy, file systems etc. The theory is known: busybox + run from RAM, mounting squashfs files.. done!

So what could be improved? maybe re-check/change the compresion algorithms or block size;
But as long as "compatibility" with low resources (unchanged for 10-20 years) is the goal, limitations of CPU/RAM/HDD of that era do not allow for too much improvement. Maybe tune-up here and there, for some better user confort.

Summary: OK GNUser, you are right, TC is good as it is now, for its intended audience.

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TCB Tips & Tricks / Re: How to find which extension provides a file

« Last post by GNUser on November 20, 2024, 03:47:36 PM »

Thanks, Rich. I'll give it a good shake 

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General TC Talk / Re: Could be [tiny]core improved?

« Last post by GNUser on November 20, 2024, 03:03:51 PM »

our goals and priorities are changing.

Not mine. And hopefully not TCL's

1. Like ARM? Knock yourself out. See current ports here: http://repo.tinycorelinux.net/15.x/

2. curaga has spoken about libc in the recent past (search the forum). TCL considered musl but will stick with glibc for wider cross-distro compatibility.

3. curaga has also spoken about X in the past (ditto). TCL controls TinyX in case Xorg kicks the bucket. Wayland and a lot of nice wayland userland tools are already in the repo.

4. repo already has jwm and flwm. I prefer fluxbox and labwc but this is a matter of taste. If a WM arises that you like better than what's in the repos, just create an extension and submit it.

5. You can already create your ideal linux system using TCL and existing repo extensions.

6. netsurf is already in the repo. I prefer brave-browser, others prefer firefox, etc. TCL can accommodate all of this.

7. Nobody will force a user to use an app written in Rust. But I think if a user submits an app written in rust, Juanito will not reject it. TCL uses busybox init and last I checked with curaga, there are no plans to use systemd because it would add complexity without adding any tangible benefit to TCL.

I think TCL is in great shape for the present and the future. TCL bucks the trend of most other distros, which become increasingly complex over time.

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TCB Tips & Tricks / Re: How to find which extension provides a file

« Last post by Rich on November 20, 2024, 02:54:48 PM »

Hi GNUser

... No autoupdate would also be a gotcha for less experienced users. ...

There will be an auto update (zsync) by default for that very reason. I think
15 minutes is long enough for most users to not get in the way when doing
multiple searches.

Also, unless you're the unluckiest person in the world, and the item you are
searching for gets added to provides.db in between auto updates, is short
enough not to cause problems.

... P.S. Folks that want maximum speed or more granular control can use the environmental variable you proposed to stop db updates (and/or you could add a "no db update" flag).

That's already in place. Including  -nz  (no zsync) in the command tells
provides.sh not to call  UpdateProvidesDB().

Latest version attached. Give it a shake and let me know if any bugs fall out.
I'll start looking into adding an environmental variable for advanced users.

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General TC Talk / Re: Could be [tiny]core improved?

« Last post by nick65go on November 20, 2024, 02:34:44 PM »

Necromancy of an old topic. Time is passing by and our goals and priorities are changing.

1. I would prefer ARM architecture (most energy efficiency), but unfortunatly most Applications I "need/want" are for x86, so the future is for x86_64[_v3] appls colection, from year 2025+.

2. The base LIB is musl (not libc) because is smaller (means more secured).

3. X-org as implementation of X-server is dying, so future could be Wayland (more secured) of any impementation.

4. Then, for the few app that we are not often comuting between, we could just use JWM /FLWM.

5 .My ideal (for now) linux system will start with a GUI like FLTK; see that it has all wigets that the big/bloated brothers (GTK, QT) have  https://www.fltk.org/shots.php

6. And of course a small (less RAM used) browser like a nestsurf, compiled with FLTK interface (not GTK). It should allow Java-script ondemands.

7. Maybe NOT apps wtitten in Rust, maybe not init system-d, etc.

For now the big demanding is X-org + mesa-3D-drivers +firmware (GPU/CPU) + Firefox (GTK3+) + audio/video HD decoders => the minim productive system, or for entertainment is very demanding; not so tiny, even if we start with tiny*.*

But there there are signs that (a part of) world is moving in that direction...
FLTK 1.4 Released With Wayland & HiDPI Display Support
FLTK 1.4 Released With Wayland & HiDPI Display Support - Phoronix

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TCB Tips & Tricks / Re: How to find which extension provides a file

« Last post by GNUser on November 20, 2024, 02:19:04 PM »

Hi Rich. Can you please post/attach your current provides.sh? I'd love to start using it right away. Thanks
I hope it becomes part of the base system for TCL16.

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TCB Talk / Re: Lenovo Thinkpad Synaptics - 2 finger scroll not working.

« Last post by Rich on November 20, 2024, 02:07:25 PM »

Hi Sashank999
I take it you are running Xorg. What does this return:

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sudo libinput list-devices

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TCB Tips & Tricks / Re: How to find which extension provides a file

« Last post by GNUser on November 20, 2024, 11:50:39 AM »

Hi Rich. FWIW I like the idea of automatically updating provides.db and would be happy with whatever maximum age is default.

Splitting the update into its own command or special flag (à la apt-file) would mean that using provides.sh would be a 2-step process for every user, every time (first checking age +/- updating the db, then searching the db). No autoupdate would also be a gotcha for less experienced users.

P.S. Folks that want maximum speed or more granular control can use the environmental variable you proposed to stop db updates (and/or you could add a "no db update" flag).

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TCB Talk / Lenovo Thinkpad Synaptics - 2 finger scroll not working.

« Last post by Sashank999 on November 20, 2024, 11:27:19 AM »

Hello.

I am a user of Lenovo Thinkpad L412. I currently use touchpad for my daily linux use as my trusty mouse broke recently. I decided to revisit TCL as I had to install a linux distro to get Clickhouse OLAP running locally. But now I found out that 2 finger scroll and double tapping (for left click) does not work.

I have set up all the necessary things as per my choices - Firefox (thanks for the getLatest TCE), Alsa, Ice WM, etc.

From some forum and Google searches, I found a boot code:
psmouse.proto=imps
from:
https://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,6458.msg34363.html#msg34363
https://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,6982.msg36850.html#msg36850

Now this enabled the double tapping for left click. But I still cannot scroll with 2 fingers, as you would normally with a touchpad.

I will be happy to provide any information regarding my device drivers, hardware information or TCL version.

Thanks in advance.