Preferred Window Manager, Desktop Environment

[bmarkus]

I thought Xfce and LXDE both have (/ can have) a start button in their panels?

I did't test Xfce4 because of it's huge size (4.1 MB following appbrowser).

It is strange to hear today 4.1M is huge in a PC environment.  Is it really matter?

Also, alone extension size means nothing; a very small extension may have huge dependency requirement while a larger extension may have less.

[JoXo009]

... 4.1M ... in a PC environment   Is it really matter?

Sure, in a PC environment it wouldn't matter.

But I want to offer a ready made virtual machine and in that context it makes a big difference if you got a zip total of 35 MB or 37 MB.

It means people will have to download a whole additional part from my Google code project, as downloads bigger than 12 MB don't really work there.

So I'm happy with icewm until now.

[bmarkus]

...as downloads bigger than 12 MB don't really work there.

Why ?

[JoXo009]

...as downloads (from Google code) bigger than 12 MB don't really work

Why ?

That was the result of my tests. Bigger downloads weren't stable or interrupted before finishing.

Don't know the reason for. Probably Google will prevent to be misused as easy source for sharing big files - hope they will still accept mine, when traffic increases.

[trishtren18]

openbox now that i have a working panel and desktop icons.  (thanks to bmarkus for that)

[bmarkus]

...as downloads (from Google code) bigger than 12 MB don't really work

Why ?

That was the result of my tests. Bigger downloads weren't stable or interrupted before finishing.

Don't know the reason for. Probably Google will prevent to be misused as easy source for sharing big files - hope they will still accept mine, when traffic increases.

I do not know what Google offers free. I'm paying $6.99/mo for a WEB hosting. Plan includes 150GB storage, 1,500GB/mo bandwidth, unlimited subdomains so I'm hosting family members sites, community sites with many domains, 7/24 support, US or European data center up to your choise and many other features. A hamburger costs more

[JoXo009]

I'm paying $6.99/mo ...  1,500GB/mo bandwidth
 A hamburger costs more

1,500 GB that's just 50 downloads.
What if you got 500 or even 5.000?
How many hamburgers do you want to spend?

No, Google code is definitely better.
Traffic unlimited and that for free.

There you don't risk to go out of service or bankrupt,
should you become a slashdotter.

[bmarkus]

I'm paying $6.99/mo ...  1,500GB/mo bandwidth
 A hamburger costs more

1,500 GB that's just 50 downloads.
What if you got 500 or even 5.000?
How many hamburgers do you want to spend?

No, Google code is definitely better.
Traffic unlimited and that for free.

There you don't risk to go out of service or bankrupt,
should you become a slashdotter.

Yes, 50 downloads of 30GB. You mentioned 12MB, which means 125k downloads.

Don't tell me that a service is better where you can not download larger than 12M.

If it is not enough, I get unlimited bandwidth for $14,99/mo

But of course, everybody can choose what fits best. It was just an example what is available if you are willing to pay for it, thats all. Lets go back to the original subject, it is off topic here.

[JoXo009]

...(1,500 GB makes) ... 50 downloads of 30GB

You are right. I mixed it up with 1.500 GB (In Germany ',' means '.')

It would be great if your suggestion would work, but as it seems, it doesn't.

I had such an account. But my provider went bankrupt, as nobody can deliver 1,500 GB for $7 without loosing much money.

And if you take a look into your terms probably you'll see, that you aren't allowed to use your quota for filesharing. InMotion terms for example read:
 'While IMH does not meter disk space & bandwidth, the purpose of an IMH hosting account is to host web sites. Using a hosting account primarily for online file storage or archiving electronic files is prohibited.'

Otherwise TC probably would use your provider and not ibiblio as main mirror.

So to my knowledge there is no way around. If you want to offer downloads, you need to keep size small. TC is ideal for that reason.

And - coming back to the topic of this thread - most of the window managers listed are ideal too.

As mentioned already, my choice was JWM and icewm.

[bmarkus]

It would be great if your suggestion would work, but as it seems, it doesn't.

I had such an account. But my provider went bankrupt, as nobody can deliver 1,500 GB for $7 without loosing much money.

This is not true. This is an existing plan of one of the Worlds largest sevice provdiers since long time. They are expanding, adding more and more content to the plan free and they are profitable, you can check. Sure it is not easy not anybody can do. But it exists and will exist for sure.

And if you take a look into your terms probably you'll see, that you aren't allowed to use your quota for filesharing.

My Service Terms say:

Per your license agreement, your free Web site cannot have any of the following types of content: .ographic, obscene or excessively profane content or content intended to advocate or advance computer hacking or cracking, gambling, illegal activity, drug paraphernalia, hate, violence or racial or ethnic intolerance.

and excludes prohibiting copyright, US export regulations, spamming, open relaying, etc. and

...the use of software or scripts run on its servers that cause the server to load beyond a reasonable level, as determined by Provider...

In general all together it means you can't use them for example for an open Torrent Tracker, but there are no any word about file sharing. If you make your own project files or others available for download which do not brake above content rules and you are within your bandwidth and not using clever scripts to demage the hosting environment, you are free to go.

Otherwise TC probably would use your provider and not ibiblio as main mirror.

I'm not in position to speak on behalf of TC team and do not know the commercial conditions or bandwidth, storage and other limits of ibiblio. They have a long term tradition to host Linux projects and it is a good place to find many other distros, not only TC. Also, they offer anonymous ftp access which is not available in plan I referred. This is a simple shared WEB hosting which fits for many applications. Paying more you can have virtual or dedicated server with different bandwidth and load limits.

(In a PM I send you details, it is not the place for advertising a company.)

[julianb]

The standard TC wm  is small and fast but I found it cumbersome to use multiple windows. Also, cumbersome to minimize and maximize app's. Disliked the grey backgrounds as well.

I like how small and fast the tinycore WM is, and I also liked that it works well on a tinyscreen eee pc.

My preference is to be able to have a panel that is either always there or (user choice) appears only when the mouse is moved to the edge of the screen where the panel is hidden. But to help you learn to use the tinycore default setup, it's good if you know:

if you right click on the top bar of a window where the window-name is, you get a "start menu" / "panel of running programs". That makes using tinycore easier when more than one window is open.

[merlin]

I really like jwm.

[bmarkus]

Result is interesting, even if 29 votes are not very representatives.

Winner is JWM, while the default FLWM is only the second choise. TC is a modular system and easy to change components, however it is worth to think over replacement of FLWM with JWM as default WM.

LXDE is the third. It confirms that the it fits well to TC not only because of the small footprint in terms of RAM, size and dependecies bot modularity as well.

I expected a bit more votes for Xfce4.

Thanks for the votes. For me it is definitely helpful to assign higher priority to LXDE.

[Arslan S.]

+1 to Xfce4  i voted smth else but now my vote goes to xfce

the main reason is that xfce gives me the feeling of gnome which i like very much

i wish gnome would be possible for tiny core sometime in future