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Offline neonix

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DPMS and UTF-8 keyboard layouts in TinyX
« on: December 30, 2024, 02:25:35 PM »
Can you hire someone to add DPMS and more keyboard layout languages to Xvesa/Xfbdev?

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Re: DPMS and UTF-8 keyboard layouts in TinyX
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2024, 01:16:24 AM »
Not having the full xkb support is one of the things that's keeping tinyx tiny - if you need Chinese etc, you should be using Xorg anyway. DPMS I thought was already there.

As for hiring anyone, we have no organizational entity and no funds.
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Re: DPMS and UTF-8 keyboard layouts in TinyX
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2024, 03:23:47 AM »
roughly guestimating, what would the size difference be if there was an easy version for the far east?

is there and/or should there be "Computer_English"? since there is officially:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_English

20241231-0229am-cst-usa-modified: added Aviation English link
« Last Edit: December 31, 2024, 03:29:12 AM by gadget42 »
The fluctuation theorem has long been known for a sudden switch of the Hamiltonian of a classical system Z54 . For a quantum system with a Hamiltonian changing from... https://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,25972.msg166580.html#msg166580

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Re: DPMS and UTF-8 keyboard layouts in TinyX
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2024, 03:52:39 AM »
The fluctuation theorem has long been known for a sudden switch of the Hamiltonian of a classical system Z54 . For a quantum system with a Hamiltonian changing from... https://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,25972.msg166580.html#msg166580

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Re: DPMS and UTF-8 keyboard layouts in TinyX
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2024, 04:11:18 PM »
Founds can be collected by crowdfunding campaign.
DPMS that turn off d-sub monitor doesn't works both in Xvesa and Xfbdev
There could be different languages executibles.
Xorg still have many issues if you don't have supporterd hardware.
Xorg can be rewriten to behave like Xvesa

I was testing HaikuOS and they have perfect Xserver compatible with X11 standard and vesa. But other HaikuOS soft is more buggy than M$. Linux is bug free enviroment, with stable kernel, in my opinion.

The biggest problem for Linux on desktops is graphic environment. TinyX solved many problems, but development stopted around year 2000.

Linux won't be young forever, but there is big opportunity right know. Africa, Asia, Latin Amercia are going throught computer revolution period. Hardware manufacturers never give 100% support for Linux, but TCL fill the gap. Used computers are cheaper than Android devices, and old versions of Android are not supported anymore. Linux give new life for old hardware almost all the time.

W11 will have humongous hardware requirments, but my thin client I bought 10 years ago, still works on TCL, but Xorg and TinyX have issues that W11 don't have.

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Re: DPMS and UTF-8 keyboard layouts in TinyX
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2025, 06:48:44 AM »
One of the reasons I LOVE 32-bit Tinycore, is that in xvesa, even if one does

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xset q
and sees that DPMS is not active, a *modern* display (non-glass) will honor the old glass "screen blank" as if it were a dpms monitor shutdown!

Therefore, without having xorg loaded, I can change the two monitor shutdown values to say something longer:

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xset s 1200 1200
However, using the old glass crt blanking with xset s does not work with 64-bit xfbdev, to trick a modern monitor to actually shutdown like 32-bit xvesa does.  One must load Xorg to get a "real" dpms shutdown.

I looked into this, and the whole screensaver vs dpms thing with Xorg gives most people gray hair, with BOTH screen blanking AND dpms fighting each other.

On most other distros that have a billion options for this, I found a way around it:

Objective:  Simply shut down the monitor after an hour.

TRICK:  To prevent fighting between screen blank and dpms on modern monitor, I set the screen blank to outer space out of the way, and use dpms to fire first.  I'll either do it manually or with a script, or add it to an "autostart" function of say XFCE, Openbox and the like.

Here is the simple XSET way to trick and only get a dpms shutdown after an hour:

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xset s 5000 5000
xset dpms 3600 3600 3600

So when my monitor shuts down due to dpms after an hour, (3600) who cares if it later gets the old-school glass crt blank later on!! (5000)

Anyway, total thumbs up for 32-bit xvesa's in TC "acting like" a dpms shutdown with only the old school xset glass blanking with modern monitors!
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