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Offline xor

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Anyone who has just discovered TCL; He wants to try the latest versions of the applications he uses most.

However, since this is a somewhat arbitrary request, it will be obvious that it is not welcomed;

No one is anyone's servant, everyone is aware of this;

To solve this classic and recurring problem;

Duplicate the scripts that convert different distributions to the TCL package.

On average, each application makes bug fixes and security updates nearly 10 times a year.

people may want to use linux, ( But people may not want to learn Linux.) this needs to be respected.

Everything develops and changes over time :)
« Last Edit: November 18, 2023, 03:14:46 AM by xor »

Offline gadget42

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.......
people may want to use linux, (But people may not want to learn Linux.)
.......
.......the world is your oyster.......
https://distrowatch.com/
The fluctuation theorem has long been known for a sudden switch of the Hamiltonian of a classical system Z54 . For a quantum system with a Hamiltonian changing from... https://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,25972.msg166580.html#msg166580

Offline Rich

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Hi xor
... people may want to use linux, ( But people may not want to learn Linux.) ...
Then they need to use a bloated Linux that does everything
for you, not Tinycore Linux.

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... this needs to be respected.No, it doesn't.


Offline xor

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To get the latest version of the application without dealing with the warehouse; "GetLatest.sh"

I analyzed the problems and errors I have experienced in my Linux experiences for 20 years.

errors. Linux has never been an operating system based on reaching the end user.

One of the biggest problems experienced by end users has always been file system problems.

For someone whose native language is not English
In addition to reading a document in a foreign language, the command system is as difficult and complex as learning two languages at the same time.

TCL is the healthiest Linux distribution on RAM disk.

I use TCL especially for banking transactions.
instead of constantly downloading updates

"firefox_getLatest.sh" is an excellent alternative,

It's ridiculous that this script is limited to only Firefox.

I look at the files in the storage, all 3rd party applications other than system files are a waste of unnecessary time and energy.

To overcome this problem; It is important that you act with the logic of "firefox_getLatest.sh"

But I also understand this!

When a person makes a mistake that he knows is right for 10 years,

It is difficult to accept that he may have made a mistake.

Offline CentralWare

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I look at the files in the storage, all 3rd party applications other than system files are a waste of unnecessary time and energy.

There are two flavors of Linux out there.  PAID and FREE.
PAID (such as Red-Hat, for example) means there's people getting paid to do some of the things their customers want to see.  Does it mean they have the most recent version of FireFox?  Not necessarily.
FREE (such as Fedora - which is the testing grounds for Red-Hat) is managed similar to TinyCore...  if there's a problem, WE (forum admins and moderators) look into it when necessary...  not paid employees...  many times not even thanked or shown gratitude...  but the same people who you think we've wasted our time and energy on making this available to you.

Before you decide to continue on your rant, might I suggest reading our Introduction Page first?
« Last Edit: November 19, 2023, 04:18:18 AM by CentralWare »

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I always appreciate the time & effort the admins & coders put into distros, & try to let them know, because I'm not a coder, & I use the forums for information, but answer questions to help out, if I can, it's the only way that I, personally, can 'give back' to our community.

So.....thank you, coders & admin, I for one do appreciate your efforts. :)
AMD, ARM, & Intel.

Offline CentralWare

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@core-user: There are those such as yourself - my hat's off to those who enjoy the efforts others generously provide (and sure, a quick "thanks" never hurts :) )
There are those who ghost...  stop by, get what they came for...  and then gooooone like the wind.  I'm good there, too, though it'd be nice to know "Hey, what did you think of it!?"

Don't get me wrong, I just spent the past four hours beating my head against a virtual wall with a computer I just couldn't get TinyCore to play nice with...  until that last ditch effort...  finally it did.
So, okay, sometimes there's a little "less" enjoy! :)  My work-around may end up being someone else's cure to prevent the same from happening to them (it's a hardware issue that TinyCore's not to blame in the slightest -- Debian and CentOS both failed, too!!!)

Some folks are just too lazy to act on what they see as being "lacking" or able to be made better.
(OP noted how some peeps don't want to learn...  Plenty of college wallpaper (in boxes, somewhere)...  and I'm still learning - none of my history would be possible if I didn't "want" to learn.)

Some folks just like to spread negativity when/where ever possible - looking for fault, especially if there is none.  It's a driving force!  "...there has to be a flaw here, I just know it!  I won't rest until I've proven..."

Then there are those who think the world and/or everyone around them owes them a debt of sorts...  I s`pose some people never learn! :)

Offline gadget42

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my general understanding of the OP request(and taking into consideration language barrier issues):

OP would like a distro more along the lines of Damn Small Linux where enough of the basics are there and working so anyone/someone/everyone could grab the iso, burn disks/sticks/cards, and hand-out/pass-out/share the *nix-goodness with _everyone_ and so that an active internet/www connection is not necessary to use it for most general-computing purposes.

ymmv
The fluctuation theorem has long been known for a sudden switch of the Hamiltonian of a classical system Z54 . For a quantum system with a Hamiltonian changing from... https://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,25972.msg166580.html#msg166580

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Hi gadget42
my general understanding of the OP request ...
Your understanding is incorrect.

What the op wants is to dictate how Tinycore should function.
Then he wants to make it someone else's problem to implement
his vision of how Tinycore should function.

Case in point:
To get the latest version of the application without dealing with the warehouse; "GetLatest.sh"

I analyzed the problems and errors I have experienced in my Linux experiences for 20 years. ...
The current version of Tinycore contains 2500 extensions for x86
and 3000 extensions for x86_64.

Who will be writing several thousand  "GetLatest.sh"  scripts to
build and package all of those extensions?

Maybe xor with his 20 years of Linux experience will take on
some of the responsibility. Just kidding. xor is a taker, not a giver.

Even if his plan were implemented, his next demand will go like this:
"It takes too long to run the  "GetLatest.sh"  scripts when I want to
 install an extension. You should run the  "GetLatest.sh"  scripts on
 the server every day so the latest versions are always available for
 me. But do it while I'm sleeping so it doesn't effect me."

So I guess the simple answer is, the op wants a personalized Linux.
He wants the official Tinycore release to be personalized to his needs.

Offline CardealRusso

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Duplicate the scripts that convert different distributions to the TCL package.
...this script is limited to only Firefox.
I  suggested something related to this on;
After seeing the symmetry of packages in alpinelinux, I had the idea of creating a script to automate tcz, for all tinycore architectures. I would emulate each architecture in qemu, compile and get the files over ssh...

But it is tiring and depends on some changes in the "system" of packets.

The current package system for me is discouraging. A lot of manual labor, a lot of effort, which is repeated with each update. This discourages the contributions too much.

Offline xor

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There is a proverb: "A lazy man is a smart man."
Of course, I don't know how Google Translate will translate this.

I'm not saying we should burn the libraries.
My suggestion is a different perspective;

For example, Firefox constantly receives so many updates;
a tiny core developer turned this into a fully automatic update reduction .sh file,

Is this a successful trial?
The answer to the question is; yes, successful :)

Can this model be predicted for other popular applications?
The answer to the question is; Yes

Am I asking for the impossible here?
The answer to the question is; No,

question ; So, What is the problem ?

I want tiny core linux to reach larger audiences.

But what is the purpose here? Should we keep this as a distribution that tastes like a nostalgic computer friendship club stuck between the 80s and 90s?

We all have limited time due to our work lives;
or even if we are retired; We have a limited life.
Why don't we focus on things that will make things easier!?

The person who came up with the .sh script structure and I think is no longer alive.
People who work hard to make things easier in life and who want things to advance technologically; He left a legacy of humanity to humanity.

I don't understand anything about firefox's automatic installation script.
But when I ask the artificial intelligence to read this and explain it line by line,
The picture has become a little more understandable.

It worked partially when I asked it to produce an alternative,
Then it gave an unknown error somewhere.
If only ai could do this job perfectly.
Currently in the script section of the forum;

The automatic update scripts I would send would be very popular. Let's see if artificial intelligence is promising in this regard.

The future of programming is already changing since it may take longer than a normal person's life to maintain the open source codes developed by 1000s of programmers.
It is now obvious that advanced programming will be handled by artificial intelligence!

I don't see tiny core linux as a linux distribution.

I perceive and evaluate it as a different GNU architecture.

Perhaps tomorrow, this system architecture will be able to work with a different non-Linux kernel, and we should consider Linux alternatives that are more efficient, smaller and consume less RAM.

In this respect, tiny core linux may turn into a name like tiny core gnu in the future, due to its philosophy. Maybe this could happen a generation later.

I think what brings us all together here is the philosophy of the work and the event.

Offline CentralWare

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@xor:

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Am I asking for the impossible here?
Yes, actually, you are.

The lazy man has no job - thus no income - thus no responsibilities to mention.
The lazy man has free time to do what you ask if only he was not so lazy as to learn for himself what's required to accomplish it.
Since he possesses no skills to do as you've asked, he's too smart for his own good - or anyone else's, and so what you've asked goes undone.

Including the kernel and BusyBox, there are more than 3,000 pieces that make up just Tiny Core Linux 14x64.

Each build script would take anywhere from 30 minutes to ~5 hours to build depending on how many obstacles I'd face for each one.  On occasion, it's quite a bit longer - especially on large, multi-faceted packages where vast amounts of tracing and debugging comes into play.  Pretending for a moment this were legitimate, I would invest no more than four people on a semi-full-time basis thus an average of four build scripts theoretically would be completed each work day.  There are roughly 250 work days in a calendar year; as such we would require three years to accomplish this task with four technicians.

Our shop rate varies, but averages $130/hr for IT development.  Please understand, other people charge more...  some charge less.
Emphasis: this does not include the platforms for x86, aarch, ARM, etc. -- only PC 64-bit.

For those of us with responsibilities, I can close this conversation once and for all by asking one simple question:

Of the $390,000.00 USD (plus tax, VAT or what ever evil takes your money) it is estimated to cost to accomplish what you've personally asked for,

How will you be paying for this development contract?  Cash is a universal language.  The lazy man doesn't have any of his own.

Offline xor

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As always, I'm trying to explain something with Google Translate.
(The 3rd world war will break out on the lies of news channels.)

We are discussing a philosophy here.

Everyone here makes an effort.

Even I may not be able to take care of a problem.

But sometimes a good question is better than a good answer. !

A script makes things a lot easier.

And by the way, your overreaction

From the prediction that artificial intelligence may put software developers in a really difficult situation in the future

I sensed a justified reaction.

Artificial intelligence will do coding in the future

As for the reasons?

I used artificial intelligence to print a program.

When I say make it smaller and run faster

translated the codes into ASM language.

the codes seem too long

When I say deduplicate to simplify this.

What emerged was a work that could not be written by human hands,
but was created by a machine produced by human hands in theory and practice.

It introduced coding with the smallest size and fastest system access.

no future library knowledge

Those who explain in an understandable language what they create in their imagination,
It seems like it will shape the future.
(of course; this is a dream for now)
« Last Edit: November 21, 2023, 12:15:35 AM by xor »

Offline CentralWare

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...ooO(Did anyone here say anything at all, let alone over-react about AI taking over or putting us in a predicament of any kind at all?)

Offline gadget42

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this thread reminded me of something i read a while back

https://easyos.org/dev/how-to-compile-a-linux-distribution-from-source.html
The fluctuation theorem has long been known for a sudden switch of the Hamiltonian of a classical system Z54 . For a quantum system with a Hamiltonian changing from... https://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,25972.msg166580.html#msg166580