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Vaguiner:
Hello.

I've tried to use wayland several times on TinyCore and each time I failed. But whenever I see something related to Wayland on the internet I try again.
I know there are other related topics, but I personally believe that these are outdated. Maybe some administrator can teach us in a practical and concise way how to test wayland? And is there a less bloatware way to make it work?

What motivates me is the fact that several distributions are collectively abandoning Xorg. Xorg itself abandoned itself... And I worry about possibly being stuck with something that may contain vulnerabilities.

Relevant links:
https://www.phoronix.com/news/GNOME-MR-Drop-X11-Session
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/f34/release-notes/desktop/Desktop/#_kde_plasma_now_defaults_to_wayland
https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9feb7c20257af5dd915e3a9f2d1f2277
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/wayland

hiro:
i use tc specifically in order to avoid bloat like those common desktop environments that you're mentioning.
for a long time i used just Xvesa, no acceleration.
xorg is sadly very huge. but as long as wayland is so strongly integrated with all this freedesktop&dbus&systemd&pulseaudio stuff, i'm not overly motivated to play with it.
why don't you wait until X is actually abandoned? why maintain both things in parallel, for double the work?
i already maintain ipv4 and ipv6 here at my home... that's enough "transitions" at one time.

Vaguiner:

--- Quote from: hiro on October 13, 2023, 10:49:00 AM ---why don't you wait until X is actually abandoned? why maintain both things in parallel, for double the work?

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It seems like something interesting to have functional in tiny core since in theory it is much lighter and faster than xorg, but the dependencies, as you say, are painful.

Juanito:
The weston wayland reference window manager works on CorePure64, piCore and piCore64 - see the weston info file.

There’s also the sway wm and, for full on bloat, gnome-session in CorePure64.

For me wayland is notably faster than x on piCore.

For interests sake I compiled fltk-1.4 with the wayland backend and recompiled various extensions wayland only to get a TinyCorePure64 equivalent at about 150% of the size of the x version, but with 3d acceleration.

Vaguiner:

--- Quote from: Juanito on October 13, 2023, 11:28:43 AM ---For me wayland is notably faster than x on piCore.

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I saw a comment on reddit stating something similar, but I didn't mention it because it seemed absurd.

--- Quote ---Because of this efficiency, Wayland is faster (on RPI 4: 400 fps instead of 100) and consumes less resources.

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Is it really 4x faster?

In this sense, yes, old computers with extremely limited resources may not benefit from wayland on tinycore, but small components like the raspberry pi (which, by the way, is what moves the tinycore forum the most, I even feel alone in the corepure64 session) They would definitely benefit a lot.

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