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GNUser:

--- Quote from: CardealRusso on July 19, 2023, 04:06:58 PM ---Unfortunately it is sad to see that the latest commits on such scripts go back 10 or more years.

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Why is it sad? Since the scripts still work perfectly on the current version of busybox ash (TCL's default shell), what would be the point of changing them? I think the age of the commits speaks to the quality of the scripts and the stability of TCL's goals and design.

CardealRusso:

--- Quote from: GNUser on July 19, 2023, 04:28:19 PM ---
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Sorry, maybe I didn't make myself clear. My point is simply modernization. The discussion I propose is precisely the extent to which this modernization will violate tinycore's "keep everything small" principles.

I don't think that the long age of something functional is reason enough for it to stop in time.
Maybe I'm being a little extreme in making this comparison, but I can make Windows XP work perfectly.

jazzbiker:
Hm, how different approaches are! For me the code which is in the age of 10 years and works well is 10 times better than the code in age of 1 year ) Like a wine, I guess. The sign and proof that it was mastered perfectly.
By the way, CardealRusso, I completely don't understand what is modern syntax??? Probably it means that I'm outdated ) along with Lua )
Thanks for tce-size script! I will gladly test it later. And some Core scripts may be a little bit sluggish. As we've seen not long ago when GNUser proposed his version of update-everything script, which appeared to be 10 times faster, if I am not mistaken. Maybe some performance bottlenecks exist and may be made more comfortable at least.

GNUser:
TCL is stable, fast, small, understandable, easily extendable, runs on old machines, runs on new machines. Extensions (applications) are updated when necessary to fix breakage or provide security fixes. New applications become available when users find new uses for TCL and are generous enough to submit new extensions for the repository.

The above is what I care about. If the TCL infrastructure is able to support the above--and it is--then the age of the infrastructure makes little difference to me. (If anything, I'd say older infrastructure is better because it has had time to prove its stability. Would you rather drive on a 10 year-old bridge or on a 1 week-old bridge?)

But I speak only for myself, not for the project. I'm not a TCL developer, just a grateful user+contributor.

CardealRusso:

--- Quote from: GNUser on July 19, 2023, 05:03:31 PM ---TCL is stable, fast, small, understandable, easily extendable, runs on old machines, runs on new machines.

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I've made my point clear, now maybe it's time to make yours clear. You don't make clear what you are arguing against. I just suggested a modernization, but nothing specific. I initially suggested NIM, but soon abandoned this idea in favor of lua, which I also abandoned because I thought it was outdated.

As for lua, it is available in all TinyCore repositories, the package and its dependencies in total barely reach 1MB. What do you necessarily mean? That if TCL migrated to LUA, it would be done wrong and break the system?

That those 500KB would be too much to support? I need you to enlighten me so that I can also enlighten you. My point about the migration is a syntax that facilitates the contribution of other users.
Bash scripts do work but they are also extremely delicate, maybe that's why everyone is afraid to make any changes. While it's working, it's very easy to break a bash script with one or two changes.

The tce-update for example, I was trying to find a piece of code to ignore non-existent extensions from the repository, so that the update wouldn't be interrupted by things like "mylocale.tcz", but I got so lost that I gave up.


--- Quote from: jazzbiker on July 19, 2023, 05:00:03 PM ---I completely don't understand what is modern syntax???

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Perhaps this is subjective. By "modern" in this context of scripts and small programs, I necessarily mean you typing less to achieve the same without sacrificing code readability for future and third party maintenance.

It is clearly impossible to achieve all these points at once, but some manage to achieve this balance. Perhaps there are more, but of the ones I've tested, the ones that achieve this are: Python, Nim, and Node. Today I checked that Lua was on this list until recently, he clearly left recently.

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