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Knoppix - systemD free again!
jazzbiker:
Hi, PDP-8!
If I am not mistaken it was exactly 8.6 and exactly on 32-bit system :) Based on Poulsbo chipset, which is on its own mind sometimes. I have no drives less than 8 Gb (except 128 Mb Transcend), so I definitely will try 8.61, Knoppix is the kind of milestone.
People are avoiding (trying to avoid?) systemd because it's all-in-one and is the kind of imprisoning, despite being just the tender one, remains imprisoning. Is far as I know, systemd sends its tentacles inside everything reachable, including bootloader. I have not enough knowledge to answer the question: "Is it possible modular design of systemd analogue?" The world divided into not-overlapping yes-systemd and no-systemd because You can not use some part, You are not free to do so :)
TinyCore excites with this extreme freedom, accessible for not-professionals. Thanks, TinyCore team!
PDP-8:
Yeah, make sure it's 8.6.1, AND your filesystem that you download to can handle files >4gb in the first place! Like ext2/3/4, ntfs (ugh) whatever before you do the burn. I get it, but personally I'd put Knoppix on a diet for those who accidentally download to fat32 and exceed 4gb file limitations. Maybe when I'm in charge. :)
Tip: don't be freaked out by all the menu choices once it's up and running. Merely *hide* them instead, (rather than trying to uninstall stuff) , say the entire games category. If using the default lxde environment, find the menu editor and click and choose which categories to display. Logout to see the changes. That alone will bring some sanity back. Make a few other slight changes, say default appearance, toolbar sizes - general tidying up to your specs.
The use the flash-knoppix tool to burn a new stick with all your tidying up choices in place.
Do NOT, repeat do NOT do your typical debian apt update/upgrade or you'll break the franken-system. Single updates like installing the latest sudo, or even FireFox-ESR are ok, but wholesale system upgrades, rather than just piecemeal little updates will lead to tears. Heh, out of 4gb of stuff, I still need to load my favorite notes util, Xpad manually.
SystemD - Heh, to me it's not Unix, which was *never* meant for general consumption anyway, so marketing forces never guided it - gotta love the quirks. Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie had enough of those marketing/engineering forces in 1969 after the whole Multics thing collapsed. There's something to be learned here, if one takes a long-term look.
Maybe that's why we're running *nix look-alikes today, and not Multics, which to me has the same feel as what systemD is trying to encapsulate. But I'm just a crazy gray-beard...
Anyway, another opinion:
http://unixsheikh.com/articles/systemd-isnt-safe-to-run-anywhere.html
In a strange twist, systemD distros are unix-lookalike-lookalikes now.
andyj:
Maybe there's a reason the longest running Linux distribution isn't using systemd. Dare to Slack.
PDP-8:
Oh for sure. Slackware is the one I'd run if for some reason one likes the BSD type infrastructure but be just over the gpl side of the fence.
But that's a true *nix. SystemD works, but just don't call your distro part of the Linux family. Call it what it is - or what it is becoming. Multics++. Any GE/Honeywell/Bull guy will recognize what's happening. :)
andyj:
--- Quote from: PDP-8 on February 01, 2021, 09:08:45 AM ---...if for some reason one likes the BSD type infrastructure but be just over the gpl side of the fence.
--- End quote ---
That seems a lot like what we have here, cuz it's not systemd and it's not SysV, and we have the equivalent of rc.local (/opt/boot*.sh) at the end.
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