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a rant/discussion about grub bootloaders - MBR and EFI

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nick65go:
My remarks were about
- the EFI partition minimim size (formatted as FAT): why 100 MB minim is not a request,
 - and about the minimum grub2 size on USB:why 8 MB is not necessary.
- and about ext2 vs ext4 test which I read on internet: because we care about READ USB speed, (less write on USB)
PS: maybe I provided too much unsolicited/unrelated info, about how I tested my remarks.
PS2: my approach was about TESTING also this USB in virtual machines, or real UEFI laptops, where secure boot should be disabled (if you can). So maybe a suggestion to add some links/documentation on USB when kids boot the USB. Because by default UEFI for win10 machine is a bad player with linux, by default. YMMV.

jazzbiker:
Oh, yes! Documentation! I know one great book ... about ... Ti .... . But they don't read books! 8-(

About exts. Of course there will be no deciding difference between ext2 and ext4 in this context, but ext4 probably will not be worse, than ext2. Ext4 has one feature, missing in ext2, as far as i know - small files data can be located inside their inodes, this saves some space depending on the file sizes distribution.

Sorry, i am not acquainted close with the UEFI secure-boot-permanent machines. So Your approach, using floppy disk images allows to boot from CD the secure-boot-enabled machine? If it is possible, then of course Your approach must be chosen.

nick65go:
- if no documentation is read , maybe just few web-links about this alien USB picked from friend/father's room?
- how many *.dep, *.md5 on USB? so how many KB you gain on your USB using ext4 vs ext2? better squash compression tcz can gain more in this "pseudo" ext# game.
- the bull-sheet "secure-boot" has nothing to do with linux/windows/usb/cdrom. i pointed just that TC is original (not ubuntu/fedora signed kernel/modules) so secure-boot must be disabled. It was not previously mentioned as your concerns for USB.
-if your audience is linux user, you waste your time with this USB. If the persons you want to help are current windows users, then remember that win10 +UEFI is not linux friendly. And if access HDD from USB, because powerful TC tools, win10 can become upset.
So you gave an weapon to a kid and ask him to not kill someone, before he became a pro. Oh, good luck.

My point: tiny/nano/micro? usb size?
 no stuff on USB that is not need for a demo-USB. is not a rescue USB. So define better the project, the audience, the purpose of USB etc.

jazzbiker:
Sorry, I don't understand, why USB is wasted time for Linux users. Transfer from Win to Ubuntu is smooth and clean, upon my experience on my friends. Most will be fully satisfied, but those, who will raise the questions, on how all this can work, will be happy for such USB, even GUI-less one. But extensions' collection from TinyCore.iso seems to be optimal for painless step into.

In other words, I vote for the audience, who have experiaence with some shiny desktop Linux, but wants all of the kind, but more, deeper and faster.

Hmm, what about rebuilding busybox without fdisk and mkfs-es? I am not absolutely sure, but grepping /etc/init.d found nothing, and tce-* staff although make no use of this utils. Of course it is the case to try, but seems such TinyCore without fdisk and mkfs have chances to be alive.

nick65go:
Lets state the main thing: I am not against  your project. Basically I am not against any linux project.I expressed my opinion that linux and windows are two different worlds for user brains. Assumption from one world do not apply (in general) to the other one.
I could not convince my partner (for decades years) to use linux, any version. But I converted few friends to use Ubuntu and Tinycore.Maybe I am not a good teacher. I prefer linux, but I am not shy to use any tool to achieve my goals as fast as possible. It is all about cost/results Pareto 20/80. I am focus on efficiency/optimization, no religion fan linux/win. Friend with the evil to cross the bridge. Each for them-self as long as this capitalist chimera will not die soon.

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