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cast-fish:
yes....hiro...i know that the qos quieng is perhaps what your referring to about how the telo share out a pool of resources intelligently.....indeed it can work extremely effectively and has almost zero impact on your copper dsl signal....but it's not actually ZERO.

There could be instances where it does affect your copper signal performance...

i found it facinating that not a single member of staff working at the telco knows anything about this subject or the product that they sell.....the incompitence is so pandemic that the telco don't even tell their own staff what they need to know to correctly sell a product...

the telco must imagine that the "sharing" idea s simply too complex to explain and nobody needs to know because it does not affect their performance but thats simply not the case...the DSL contract would have to explicitly explain that "wi fi sharing" was taking place.....(i was never told anything at all)

i understand how these sharing systems work and they are somehwat advanced and complex indeed...

anyhow i only noticed this whole story by complete accident....just one tiny sentence on a web page about my telco saying something like "if you want to opt out of wi fi"....and i thought WHY would you want to opt out of something that they had given you for FREE.....?....

the answer as to why?....that answer is indeed because of what i described above and many people simply don't want something they purchased for their home shared out to the public...(even if it never impedes their home performance)....

the telco staff have NO CLUE this system is even operating on their gear..... or any clue about what they are really selling when it comes to selling DSL contracts with free WI FI to customers.....amazing.

There are lots of issues too....i mean sharing my bandwidth with strangers in the street one would like to know that everything was completely secure and seperated and in no way related to me....but this ISNT actually the case. THe passer by who hooks into WI FI at 8 dollars an hour and uses it....the data they pass then comes off my WI FI hotspots counter for that month....(sure it's not billed to me)....but the passing of that data by an unknown stranger is STILL associated with my account...
(i don't like that at all)

i would greatly appreciate the telco explaining to me just exactly HOW this sharing poole works and what percentage of my bandwidth is pickpocketed and all about the security too....but you'd need to be with a TECH guru to get that information.

but google may help....

does any of this matter?......well i believe any product you purchased for your home and then discover is somewhat shared with the general public then becomes an issue....

i pay for water each month...how much i use....somebody (The telco in the analogy) does not then walk into my apartment while i am filling my watering-can and put their own tea cup under my flow....(thus impeding my flow) thus taking me longer to fill up....and then they also walk out with my water in their tea cup and then sell it outside on the street to some passer by at a hugely elevated price than what i paid for the water...

I know that the telco are saying "non of that matters because the flow from your tap is like niagra falls and our interventions mean nothing"....you are only using fractions of the niagra falls yourself....that's why we pickpocket some of the spare.....

but there are occassions when it WILL impede how quikly i can fill u that watering can.....

all told i just don't like how they miss-sell a product as something it's not.....if i buy denims in a store and it says LEVI 501 and then at home i discover they are fake i return them........i kind of feel somewhat similar about telcos.....

90 percent of people would NOT at all like the idea that complete strangers are gaining access to a WIRED service in their home.....random, un- policed access ......that the customer never even knew was happening to them....really

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ye it's wierd....

hiro:
i can tell you that here in germany at deutsche telekom, kabeldeutschlan/vodafone and unitymedia it is indeed seperated from your account. there is some separate "secure" channel that i have no access to unless i were to hack that wifi router.

in any case, i don't think it's a big issue. customers actually want this kind of functionality sometimes and most that give out a share of their bandwidth indeed never notice. i can tell you that it works well enough in practice. normally the bigger problem is to even have a working base service. if using your wifi AP as a cash income may motivate them to keep your DSL line operational that's actually a plus for me :). Cause stuff is often unstable.

Also my DSL modem for example could negotiate a higher modulation with my DSLAM, if they decide connect me with higher speeds because I bring them more customers I would theoretically benefit cause they have more incentive in making my connection fast and cost-efficient :)

as i said, this is just a business model issue, you're just outraged cause you didn't read the fineprint of your contract properly. but if they had asked you before and you'd have gotten a share of the revenue they make via your router perhaps you would have even agreed. especially when they say that instead of 16Mbit you get 100Mbit with 16Mbit guaranteed. As people don't care and just pay them nothing will change though.

But if you're really paranoid there's an easy solution for you (who clearly is one of the few who cares): open the device and short-circuit your antenna connector by putting a bunch of solder on it. this way you don't have to understand the technology behind and still be 100% sure that nobody can share your wifi.
Then attach your own wi-fi router at the ethernet port.

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