Need Information About The "New" APPS

[rms46]

Hello:

I am having problem to use the recent version of APPS.
May I know where to find more information about that?

I would like to know how to use an OnDemand extension.
For example, I tried to add "clockywock". It is now a
current "OnDemand" item.

According to the document, I need to find "AppsAudit".
May I know what how/what to do next?

regards,
Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim.

P.S. Have I posted this to the right forum?

[aus9]

Hi

I am not one of the main guys but will try to help where I can

Firstly, can you name the iso that you have running or used to install please ?
For example, TinyCore-current.iso

2) There is a wiki that might answer some of your queries and I think you may be looking for this one?
http://wiki.tinycorelinux.net/wiki:install_apps

3) But lets take your clockywock as an example.
You choose to download, install it as onboot or ondemand etc
---You chose ondemand.....there are some options better suited to users with certain types of persistence but lets not get too far ahead.
Once the APPS control panel, called Apps browser gives you a signal that its downloaded with the yellow background and OK message

Then click anywhere on empty desktop, is one way of accessing the menu (there are other ways but I assume you come from MS land) and choose the "ondemand" then click on your clockywock
Now you can click on the terminal icon in the wbar panel and run the command clockywock

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If parts of the wiki don't make sense, let us know as a wiki is only as good as the message received

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apps audit

Now to maintain, meaning to swap your tcz(s) from onboot to ondemand and vice versa then
click on apps browser
pulldown and select maintenance then do things

----Pretend you love clockywock so much you want it onboot
go to ondemand maintenance first and delete it from the list
(You are not deleting the file just a list item)
then click onboot mantenance item and scroll down to clockywock and click the ADD button

PS where did you read about apps audit please, the term may be out-of-date....not saying it is but I would like to check it

see image for better explanation

[Rich]

Hi aus9
AppsAudit used to be a separate applet, its functions were consolidated into Apps somewhere in the 4.x series.

[rms46]

Thank you all for the clues that I have received.

I am still interested if there is a page available which explains all the functionality of the current APPS,  especially the usage of "Installation Options".

I misunderstood about what "clockywock" was. I thought it was something like "xclock". Also, "clockywock" does not always work on "Konsole" (kde) that "ssh" to TCL.

Now, that I have an idea on how "OnDemand" works, the next step is to try if it works fine on "compiletc" and "openjdk-7-jdk". Has anyone tried that?

I am running TCL 4.6.2 on a VirtualBox (Kubuntu). I am interested in TCL as a portable teaching tool.

Regards,
Rahmat.

[Rich]

Hi rms46
I've never been a fan of the OnDemand option, I always use OnBoot. As far as I know, OnDemand saves you
one loop mount, which saves a few hundred bytes of RAM, and the time it takes to mount and create its links
into the file system while booting, all of which you give back when you go to use the application. Compiletc
should work OnDemand, I don't know about openjdk-7-jdk, you'll have to try it.

[aus9]

I can confirm compiletc works for ondemand.
If your TC runs a bit slow, try moving onboot rarely used stuff to ondemand.

If you think your system specs are a little on the low side, you could consider installing inxi and posting the results to command

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inxi -F

http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,14082.msg79445.html#msg79445
shows some extra tips and results to inxi -v5 which is similar command but shows certain system specs.

[rms46]

PS: I need more than 30 seconds to start with this following PC.
      However, most of the PCs that I use are slower than this one.


tc@box:~$ inxi -F
Resuming in non X mode: xrandr not found. For package install advice run: inxi --recommends
System:    Host: box Kernel: 3.0.21-tinycore i686 (32 bit) Desktop: N/A Distro: Core Linux
Machine:   System: innotek product: VirtualBox version: 1.2
           Mobo: N/A model: N/A Bios: innotek version: VirtualBox date: 12/01/2006
CPU:       Single core Intel Core i5 CPU 650 (-UP-) cache: 6144 KB flags: (sse sse2 sse3 ssse3) clocked at 3189.742 MHz
Graphics:  Card: InnoTek Systemberatung VirtualBox Graphics Adapter X-Vendor: N/A driver: Resolution: N/A
Audio:     Card: Intel 82801AA AC'97 Audio Controller
Network:   Card: Intel 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: e1000
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: 08:00:27:XX:XX:XX
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 8.6GB (4.5% used) 1: id: /dev/sda model: VBOX_HARDDISK size: 8.6GB
Partition: ID: / size: 223M used: 41M (18%) fs: rootfs
Sensors:   None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
Info:      Processes: 221 Uptime: 10 min Memory: 69.7/247.6MB Client: Shell inxi: 1.8.17

[Rich]

Hi rms46
You could use the boot code  syslog , then open a terminal and enter:

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less /var/log/messagesUse the PageUp/PageDown buttons to navigate. Look through the file to see how long each part of the boot
process is taking. The file should be time stamped, if it's not, add the boot code  printk.time=1.

[aus9]

VirtualBox date: 12/01/2006

2006 pls update your software, if you can afford the download bandwith
https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

[rms46]

All, thanks for all the replies.

1) I am using Kubuntu 12.04 which comes with VirtualBox 4.1.12.
    I guess, that the virtual bios version is from 2006.

2) It will take more than 60 seconds to boot if using my Lenovo ThinkPad
    Edge 13"/ Intel CPU U7300 (1.3 GHz).

3) My OVA disk size is almost 250 MB, and "df /dev/sda1" is about 373MB.

4) While booting with the notebook, "Checking for extensions" generates
    about 5-10 loop devices a second. Is that reasonable?

6) I am wondering, if there is a way to speedup.
    I guess, that "OnDemand" is not the answer.

Regards,
RMS

[curaga]

Java is a hog, and doesn't work ondemand either IIRC (it needs to copy itself = slow, and to set up profiles before login).

Otherwise, ondemand does gain you boot time.

[aus9]

RMS

Yes you are correct on vbox bios date.
I repeat that if you rarely use some extensions, they are better off belonging ondemand. But I do take the point about java but I don't have it installed and haven't for years.

You may notice that the other posters are nice and umm more polite heh heh
I am an aussie so tend to be more blunt.

1) running TC in a virtual machine is a smart way of trying things out, but I don't think we can give you a real answer to your system boot up until you really install it.

2) if you have a spare partition, or a partition that does not have the following: home, opt then you may like to see how I currently boot
http://wiki.tinycorelinux.net/wiki:install_wo_optical_grub2

and consider trying out it. Since you seem adept at the command line its not too hard, and the beauty is, you keep your Kubuntu but your bootloader boots TC but assume its grub2 in your MBR.

My actual bootcodes have changed, I use more persistence and have tweaked some files but thats my decision.

3) The reason why I am trying to seduce away from Kubuntu is not because I don't like Ubuntu family but because for your processor any KDE environment is going to be slow as KDE is the biggest bloatware as a desktop environment or window manager etc.

4) If you do come across to TC for real, can I suggest you consider enlightenment or xfce (xfce4)

Question
What do you need java for pls?

[bmarkus]

4) If you do come across to TC for real, can I suggest you consider enlightenment or xfce (xfce4)

Or LXDE

[rms46]

I am still having problem to use the recent version of APPS.
I should open a new thread?

I am an aussie so tend to be more blunt.

Howdy there, down-under

I don't think we can give you a real answer to your system boot up until you really install it.

BTW, do you have any idea, how to run TLC on a public PC with USB ports, where the BIOS is locked so you can not boot from the USB (but VBOX is available)?
That is a typical configuration of a university PC in the lab.

The reason why I am trying to seduce away from Kubuntu...

I like *buntu because it is almost like Debian, with a better update schedule.
So *buntu is good enough for my daily work.

What do you need java for pls?

For teaching purpose. Programing with "java threads" are easier than PTHREADS for beginners.
I guess, TLC is the best choice, compared to MINIX or Linux From Scratch.

Unfortunately, I might still have to use Debian for compiling kernels/writing drivers.
BTW, has anyone tried to use TLC for compiling kernels/writing drivers?

Rahmat.

[Rich]

Hi rms46
Install compiletc.tcz and you'll have a compile environment. You can compile a kernel or write drivers
under Tinycore, just like any other Linux that has suitable compile tools.