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Request Midnight Commander File Manager
SamK:
--- Quote from: AbNoRMiS on June 13, 2012, 07:04:20 PM ---yes it is right, i still have installed these tcz extensions
but what meaning to change them to scm analogues?
this is the same as to bargain one trouble for another
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For me, the primary benefit of the scm format is it's resistance to breakage due to changes in dependencies. The pace of development within TC is very rapid. There are a limited number of preventative measures a user might take to protect against breakages introduced at the OS level. The adoption of the scm format will increase the reliability at the application level. For me this benefit alone outweighs the larger size of an scm v equivalent tcz.
Archivers are widely used programs, both standalone and within larger applications. It would be disappointing if they were only available as part of a "parent" application or as a tcz.
--- Quote from: AbNoRMiS on June 13, 2012, 07:04:20 PM ---but you must agree that nobody have objections to inclusion archivers to xarchiver
although if i not mistaken most of them also don't depend strongly and can be used optionally
mc is a same handy tool for extraction from archives...
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This is not really a like-for-like comparison. The case for including archiving programs within an archiviving application is more compelling than for their inclusion within a general purpose file manager. Xarchiver would not be able to fulfill its purpose without them, however it is the use of them that is optional rather than whether or not they are included. Within mc it is the inclusion of them that is optional as they are not fixed requirements.
--- Quote from: AbNoRMiS on June 13, 2012, 07:04:20 PM ---yes i agree about the inclusion of web browsers
furthermore in the repo exists links2 that interchangeable with lynx for use in the mc
however think that not entirely correct to compare firefox (or python) with lynx
considering overhead ie its size and its demand for autonomous use
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I tend to have multiple browsers installed, among them links2 which I use as a standalone app. It is indeed automatically used by mc in place lynx, thanks for the tip. Again, I would not want to have it become available only as part of mc. I can see your point that lynx is small enough to be included within mc and have some sympathy with this view.
It is possible that including it might raise a precendent and used to request the inclusion of other large apps within other "parent" scms in the way previously described by JasonW. After all, what is small (or large) to you or me may not be so for everyone.
I am curious about the request to include grep. I have not made any specific tests but as it is included as a default part of the OS is it not usable by mc, or does the OS default program not supply a feature you (or mc) requires?
AbNoRMiS:
--- Quote from: SamK on June 14, 2012, 07:05:57 AM ---Archivers are widely used programs, both standalone and within larger applications. It would be disappointing if they were only available as part of a "parent" application or as a tcz.
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yes, exclusively this i meant
--- Quote from: SamK on June 14, 2012, 07:05:57 AM ---For me, the primary benefit of the scm format is it's resistance to breakage due to changes in dependencies. The pace of development within TC is very rapid. There are a limited number of preventative measures a user might take to protect against breakages introduced at the OS level. The adoption of the scm format will increase the reliability at the application level. For me this benefit alone outweighs the larger size of an scm v equivalent tcz.
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i want to note that there is one more advantage scm over tcz
despite for occupied larger but scm use less system power when loaded than tcz
this is especially noticeable on slower computers
--- Quote from: SamK on June 14, 2012, 07:05:57 AM ---
--- Quote from: AbNoRMiS on June 13, 2012, 07:04:20 PM ---yes i agree about the inclusion of web browsers
furthermore in the repo exists links2 that interchangeable with lynx for use in the mc
however think that not entirely correct to compare firefox (or python) with lynx
considering overhead ie its size and its demand for autonomous use
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I tend to have multiple browsers installed, among them links2 which I use as a standalone app. It is indeed automatically used by mc in place lynx, thanks for the tip. Again, I would not want to have it become available only as part of mc. I can see your point that lynx is small enough to be included within mc and have some sympathy with this view.
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no, i meant that i agree that should not include browsers specifically in this case
--- Quote from: SamK on June 14, 2012, 07:05:57 AM ---I am curious about the request to include grep. I have not made any specific tests but as it is included as a default part of the OS is it not usable by mc, or does the OS default program not supply a feature you (or mc) requires?
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unfortunately having busybox grep but mc somehow does not want to use them and gives an error
i don't know why this occurs, may need to change mc config files settings...
incidentally using the occasion i would ask about one thing
using mc.tcz under desktop i could to use ctrl+enter to place selected item to the command line
for some reason mc.scm does not do this that very uncomfortable because is often used
through that this could occur and is it possible to fix it?
beforehand thanks for help
bmarkus:
--- Quote from: AbNoRMiS on June 15, 2012, 03:23:38 AM ---incidentally using the occasion i would ask about one thing
using mc.tcz under desktop i could to use ctrl+enter to place selected item to the command line
for some reason mc.scm does not do this that very uncomfortable because is often used
through that this could occur and is it possible to fix it?
beforehand thanks for help
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Nothing to do with mc.tcz it is up to your terminal/WM. For example it works just fine in Xfce.
AbNoRMiS:
i wanted say that before uninstalled mc.tcz
key binding ctrl+enter worked properly
with jwm[-snapshot] and lxdm
after mc.scm was installed
then ctrl+enter stopped working
no additional settings do not made
also no special key bindings settings
all settings was installed by default
p.s.
would only note additionally
that this stopped working only when mc runs under wm
when switch to ctrl+alt+f1 then ctrl+enter is working in mc
bmarkus:
This is the beauty of the flexible and modular system :)
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