Yes I have read the topic. In any case, with a SCM is it possible to do the opposite of On Demand... basically a type of "remove" (not uninstall) On Close and if not what would it take to make it possible? I might have it wrong but the SCM's seem like deal breakers in that they involve an uninstall and the resulting loss of settings. My thinking is along the lines of a reverse On Demand using tcz's. All of this of course, for the purpose of staying within the 255 cloop limit.