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Off-Topic => Off-Topic - Tiny Core Lounge => Topic started by: curaga on April 02, 2011, 03:54:04 AM

Title: ARM netbook
Post by: curaga on April 02, 2011, 03:54:04 AM

http://www.hercules.com/us/ecafe/bdd/p/156/ecafe-trade-ex-hd-black-/

This looks like one of the better ARM netbooks to date. 10" screen, 13h battery, suggested price ~250$.

Title: Re: ARM netbook
Post by: tinypoodle on April 02, 2011, 06:01:50 AM

http://www.genesi-usa.com/products/smartbook

seems to feature same processor, but a bit more light and possibly cheaper

Title: Re: ARM netbook
Post by: curaga on April 02, 2011, 06:19:36 AM

Interesting, thanks for the link. I'll wait until I can get at least 13" and a quad-A15 personally, but it's still good to see how these develop.

Title: Re: ARM netbook
Post by: bmarkus on April 02, 2011, 09:12:49 AM

WINDOWS 8 is targeting now ARM platform.

Title: Re: ARM netbook
Post by: Arslan S. on April 02, 2011, 10:40:56 AM

i don't know how much related with topic but recently i learned that nvidia is developing a new SoC with arm based cpu and nvidia gpu all in one chip
http://pressroom.nvidia.com/easyir/customrel.do?easyirid=A0D622CE9F579F09&version=live&releasejsp=release_157&xhtml=true&prid=705184 (http://pressroom.nvidia.com/easyir/customrel.do?easyirid=A0D622CE9F579F09&version=live&releasejsp=release_157&xhtml=true&prid=705184)

Title: Re: ARM netbook
Post by: hiro on April 03, 2011, 10:05:22 AM

I'll buy one when max power got under 5W.

Title: Re: ARM netbook
Post by: tinypoodle on April 03, 2011, 10:17:02 AM

max. 5W consumption for a netbook in particular sounds rather illusionary to me...

Otherwise, it already exists:
http://www.genesi-usa.com/products/efika
but of course that does not take in count consumption for a screen   ;)

Title: Re: ARM netbook
Post by: hiro on April 03, 2011, 10:43:09 AM

Yeah, to make this work I'd probably also need one of these cute retinal laser displays :)

Or one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaHUpWuqNHY

Title: Re: ARM netbook
Post by: vinnie on April 03, 2011, 06:29:49 PM

Tinyp. i think it's possible, my netbook (is an atom, not ad arm) consume 10w measured with wattometer

Title: Re: ARM netbook
Post by: hiro on April 03, 2011, 08:17:50 PM

When I keep the brightness down on my thinkpad x20 I get about 8W in idle.
And my seagate dockstar wants 2W max IIRC.
The market may not be ready yet, but ARM and co gives me hope :D

Title: Re: ARM netbook
Post by: tinypoodle on April 03, 2011, 10:31:02 PM

Quote from: vinnie on April 03, 2011, 06:29:49 PM

Tinyp. i think it's possible, my netbook (is an atom, not ad arm) consume 10w measured with wattometer

I can not follow your conclusion. The CPU takes up only a part of the whole power consumption of a netbook with all subsystems fully enabled.
I would be able to reduce consumption on my netbook by 4.4W just by disabling most subsystems/peripherals.

Title: Re: ARM netbook
Post by: vinnie on April 03, 2011, 11:26:17 PM

My discourse is simple, if a x86 architecture comes to 10w (all inclusive, the wattmeter can not attack  only on the processor), an arm, which is certainly have more moderate consumption, can easily reach 5w with all inclusive.

Title: Re: ARM netbook
Post by: tinypoodle on April 04, 2011, 12:09:26 AM

i guess we agree to totally disagree then.

IMHO also the comparison of the efika smartbook versus smarttop from same line with same Freescale i.MX515 at 12W versus 5W relativates the relevance of the processor regarding power consumption.

Title: Re: ARM netbook
Post by: vinnie on April 04, 2011, 02:41:18 PM

Of course, the processor consumes only a fraction of the total, but the architecture also includes everything else on the motherboard

Title: Re: ARM netbook
Post by: tinypoodle on April 04, 2011, 05:01:31 PM

... certainly not the display.

Based on this,

http://www.volkerschatz.com/hardware/netbat.html#rundown

I would calculate a consumption of 3.6852W for display of a netbook at max.brightness.