Tiny Core Linux
Off-Topic => Off-Topic - Tiny Core Lounge => Topic started by: newbody on February 04, 2011, 12:03:35 PM
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The link he gives fails
In this thread Topic: The Full Core and The Lite Core
http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=7120.msg37616#msg37616 (http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=7120.msg37616#msg37616)
He by the rules are supposed to give a link to where one can talk about the disto.
He gives this link
Update: a thread for discussion has been created here: http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=7128.0 (http://Update: a thread for discussion has been created here: http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=7128.0)
That one fails. Maybe the rules did not allow it?
There is not talk there on his own site where I did download it and it works well too.
But he does link back to this thread where he presented it.
http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=2056.msg10947#msg10947 (http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=2056.msg10947#msg10947)
But that link seems to not be related to topic=7128.0 that he claim is where I should post any question or praise.
So Should I PM him if that is okay or should I do what?
[edit: see list (http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?board=43.0) and rules (http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?board=47.0)]
I need help to create persistence on a NTFS HDD 250GB on an Acer Aspire D250 with Atom N270 Netbook
Mainly to get FireFox and Flashplayer to be there when I want to use TCE.
Here is my menu.lst in grub4dos
title TinyCore 3.4.1 with ntfs-3g opt=sda3 max_loop=256
find --set-root /tce/release/tinycoreplus.gz
kernel /tce/release/bzImage tinycore tce=sda3 home=sda3 /mnt/sda3/tce lang=se
initrd /tce/release/tinycoreplus.gz
I know too little so I did not put in opt=sda3 max_loop=256
Was that the part that create the persistence file?
Do you know if this work as well?
title TinyCore 3.4.1 with ntfs-3g
root (hd0,2)
kernel /tce/release/bzImage tinycore tce=sda3 home=sda3 /mnt/sda3/tce opt=sda3 max_loop=256
initrd /tce/release/tinycoreplus.gz
Being a non official I did not dare to ask all this in the TC place. I am not so used to this forum and how you guys react to mistakes us newbies does. Every forum have their own dos and don'ts.
Looking forward to your friendly responses.
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I have not used grub4dos.
I think you can remove /mnt/sda3/tce and max_loop=256
max_loop is not needed since version 3.
I don't see any reason for /mnt/sda3/tce
The team may not be happy discussing non-official releases here.
Why not use the official release?
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Hi Guy, Thanks for advice on what is needed on the boot kernel line.
Well I did try to follow the rules but the links failed so I asked for help what to do.
Re the why not the official one.
The unofficial does support frugal install on NTFS
Does the official do that?
The unofficial maybe is easier to use due to it having already preinstalled things that a beginner donä't even know the name of.
It booted while the official did not boot. So I did try tthe official first but felt too embarrassed to ask here how to boot it because I fear you guys say. Not adviceable to do frugal on NTFS with read write.
So didn't want to get criticized for daring.
How does one set up persistence in frugal install on the official?
I did read and read and it was too technical for me to grasp. What should I have on the kernel line in grub for it to work?
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Hi newbody
Before you start messing with your hard drive you may want to consider booting from
a pen drive. If you have access to a machine with a CD drive, download the Tinycore
ISO file and burn it to a CD. Boot up the CD and when the desktop shows up click on
the ControlPanel icon. Plug a pen drive into a USB port, THE PEN DRIVE WILL BE WIPED
CLEAN SO MAKE SURE THERE IS NOTHING IMPORTANT ON IT. Select the HDD/USB Install
option option, read the window that pops up and select ZIP and follow the directions
given in that window. Shut down that machine, remove the pen drive and plug it into
your netbook. Turn on the netbook, go into the bios, and find the boot options menu.
Select boot USB first, save, exit. The netbook should now boot up Tinycore. Call up
appbrowser and install any desired apps.
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Thanks Rich, I trust that is good advice generally but I have already messed a lot with my HDD installing Puppy linux, Archiso, Slitaz, Slabix, AntiX, and others me don't remember at the moment.
Are you sure that TCE has a less competent NTFS-3g or what the name is?
I use the unofficial one that use the standard NTFS program I hope.
I'm writing from within that TCE now and have Swedish through Finland example in the kmaps from the FAQ Seems to work well. % is in right place "!" even & and / and () But alt Gr + don't work though. *' does work åäö ü ï not sure how to do tilde though so I am very satisfied and it seems to remember from reboots too which is a huge relief.
But when I boot up the Firefox is not there but are on the HDD through the Appbrowser so I don't need to go on the internet to find it but it take a relatively long time to start up compared to starting it from Puppy.
And VLC failed Alsa sound so I need to update that one. Have no idea what to dowload though.
But I have come a long way to get a working system thanks to SvOlli.
I can edit the menu.lst not sure if I can move files around have not dared.
So what else? I have no idea what gif, jpg picture viewer to load down.
I did a look through the whole repository but I am not used to all the names there so have no idea which one to use. Which is the Best or next best of them?
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To use the official one, since you have multiple partitions, I suggest you format the partition with Ext3. That makes it simple. If you are not familiar with partitioning and formatting, I suggest you download Parted Magic, to do it.
I use Grub legacy, not Grub4dos. This is similar to what I use.
title Tiny Core 3.5rc1
root (hd0,0)
kernel /tc3.5rc1/bzImage quiet opt=hda1 tce=hda1 home=hda1
initrd /tc3.5rc1/tinycore.gz
There may be some differences with grub4dos.
How does one set up persistence in frugal install on the official?
Primarily by using opt=hda1 tce=hda1 home=hda1 in Grub. There is also backup, which you can use for persistence in any directory other than tce, opt or home. Later, when you understand more, you can learn how to modify extensions instead of using backup.
To install applications (you need to be connected to the internet), start App Browser, click connect, then click on an application you want to install, and click Go.
To be easy to start, apps should be On Boot or On Demand. You can select this when installing, or make modifications later using Apps Audit.
I use:
gpicview for images.
epdfview for pdf files
xfburn for burning cds and dvds.
You can remove apps. So you can install several and see which you like.
There are some ideas for starting.
Don't be concerned about asking questions. There are helpful people here.
I think you will really like Tiny Core as you learn more about it.
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Hi newbody
Since you are booting from sda3 that suggests that you already have a seperate
partition that Tinycore is running from. IF that is correct AND IF you are comfortable
using a partitioning tool I would clear that partition and if it's large enough maybe
split it so that you can have a swap file on a seperate partition. If you have any setup
files or personal files you want, copy then onto pen drive with a FAT filesystem on it.
Then if you go to the Tinycore homepage under install, steps 4 and 5 will tell you how
to do a proper install to a hard drive. BE SURE TO SUBSTITUTE THE CORRECT DRIVE INFO
FOR YOUR SYSTEM IN THE INSTRUCTIONS. NTFS is NOT a native file system for a Linux
operating system, and forcing it to run on NTFS is probably slowing it down. Once that
is done, if you want to access the NTFS partition from Tinycore, there is an NTFS support
package you can install.
[EDIT]: I see Guy got in ahead of me. If you don't like Epdfview, Foxit is the nicest PDF
viewer I've seen running under Linux, very nice.
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But when I boot up the Firefox is not there but are on the HDD through the Appbrowser so I don't need to go on the internet to find it but it take a relatively long time to start up compared to starting it from Puppy.
Expectable, it is the speed difference between a block device (HDD) filesystem and tmpfs (shared memory). You could achieve the same speed as with Puppy by using a comparable method, i.e. running TC in default mode ("cloud" mode).
I have no idea what gif, jpg picture viewer to load down.
flpicsee integrates well.
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How does one set up persistence in frugal install on the official?
Primarily by using opt=hda1 tce=hda1 home=hda1 in Grub. There is also backup, which you can use for persistence in any directory other than tce, opt or home.
backup works perfectly well for opt and home - and IIRC those are partially resp. fully included in backup by default.
IMHO debatable if opt=hda1 home=hda1 would still qualify as "frugal install".
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IF that is correct AND IF you are comfortable using a partitioning tool I would clear that partition and if it's large enough maybe split it so that you can have a swap file on a seperate partition.
With recent kernel versions there is no expectable performance gain by having a dedicated swap partition.
TC base includes a tool to create a swapfile.
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Ah thanks for the tip to use flpicsee, I did not notice that one when I looked for Viewnior and such. So I give it a try.
Re swapfile, I have in the boot menu now noswap to force it to not do a swap in case it do it.
I got the impression that it even automatically made a swapfile maybe? It says something like that when one boot up and shut down? IIRC.
I've tested both the persistence and the backup and both do seems to work. Not sure.
But I am not used to TCE enough to get around how one do things.
So what I want is to download and install kmaps, Firefox, VLC, Flpicsee, getflash9, and one or two more.
oops the virtual piano something.
But I maybe do something wrong. When boot up they only exists on the local and I have to rebuild them each time but the good thing is that they remember settings like FF did remember how to go to TCE and Puppy and DW and LQ and so on. Very handy.
I can understand that TCE wants to be true to its vision and not be bloated the way I want it to be.
The reason that I want what I describe are my extremely poor memory and impatience.
When I boot up everything should be there. FF, VLC Flpicsee etc. My version of TCE as I prefer it should be ready to do what I set it up to do.
But to do that needs knowledge. Which I don't have and are very bad at eachieving. Took me a year to set up Puppy linux in that way. I'm a slow learner.
But TCE is ideal in that it start out so small and fast and can do things none of the Ubuntu and Arch and others can not do for a newbie that fail to learn. At least the unofficial by SVOlli could do it.
So if your rules prohibit that we talk about it in threads then I need to find others that use it and find another place to talk about it. LinuxQuestions most likely. They have a forum for distros and TCE sure is a Linux Distro. Very unique one too. I like that it is so unique. Sadly I am not bright enough to use it like you guys do.
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tinypoodle: Hence the term "maybe", truth of the matter is with 1Gb of RAM he should not
need a swap file. I mention it for anyone else reading this thread who is RAM challenged,
and because it is mentioned in the installation instructions on the home page.
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I prefer to have a swap partition, even though I have enough ram to run the computer without it. It is beneficial when dealing with large files, or doing a number of different things at once.
People with smaller ram, need swap.
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New users keep asking which apps are better, and various people have shared their preferences.
I would like to encourage more people contribute to http://wiki.tinycorelinux.com/Applications
That way all new users can have access to this info.
It will also help existing users, as new applications are added to the repository.
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My statement was not meant to refer to the need/usefulness of swap or not (not necessarily redundant even with 1 GB RAM, IMHO), but to the need/usefulness of a dedicated swap partition (versus file) or not.
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Guy, thanks for that link to the Wiki.
First time I see it. That one will help me a lot. I report back later today if I stumble and fall.
Not to criticize. But it start by saying that the easiest is to burn a CD with TCE on.
that may be so for the majority of users but not for this one.
My Acer Aspire One Netbook does not have a built in Burner, then one would need to buy an external one.
second. the burner software I have don't make digital media that way, only for listening to music not starting an OS.
One need to have the knowledge to find that software first.
took me a year or so when learned how to make Puppy DVDs around 2008.
I've started with it 2006 with a free Ubuntu CD/DVD they gave me at the Computer Shop.
Then people told me to use Puppy instead for slow Ubuntu. So around 2008 I had learned it.
but not everybody are that challenged, I agree but I trust a lot of people have USB memory sticks but not CD or DVD burner programs.
So how to make an USB stick boot up would be cool to have there at start too?
And the absolutely easiest thing is to just place TCE on the HDD and make a frugal install.
No need for CD burner progs or to buy any USB memory drive. Just use what one already got.
But sure it needs very good description for it to work for a clumsy newbie like myself.
But around this time one year ago on another computer I did have TCE going but not I don't remember how I did it. So I guess I have to find which computer that was and copy the menu.lst entry I did that worked for me and the files and move them to the current computer and see if it starts here too.
But I sure like how you set it up there. Looks great to me.
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newbody, please clarify your situation, so we can help.
Have you not been able to install Tiny Core yet?
How do you have partitions set up?
What operating systems do you already have on the computer?
If you already have Linux, you will probably already have Grub. Is that the case?
Do you have a cd/dvd reader, but not a writer?
It is quite easy to install Tiny Core without a cd writer. I am just not clear about your situation.
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Hi Guy thanks for wanting to help me. I try to address all your questions in relation to them one by one.
newbody, please clarify your situation, so we can help.
Have you not been able to install Tiny Core yet?
I've installed the Remix by SvOlli and that one works rather good. It is the same as 341 as far as I know. He has only added a few things that comes included from scratch like maps so in grub4dos menu.lst I did put this. kmap=qwerty/fi-latin9 and that allowed me to do ü and ï and åäö and such. I fail to get AltGr that would allow me to do $ £ € [] { } which I can do in Puppy.
I managed to get sound going by reading the wika. So not I have to read up on how to set up the Iptables correctly. Have no idea how one do such. Puppy do that automatically by a click.
kmap=qwerty/fi-latin9 what would happen if I change that to kmap=qwerty/se-latin1
okay back to your next question.
How do you have partitions set up?
I only have NTFS and three partitions set up by OEM and I use this menulist
title TinyCore Remix by SvOlli 3.4.1 with ntfs-3g
root (hd0,2)
kernel /tce/release/bzImage tinycore opt=sda3 tce=sda3 home=sda3 local=sda3 showapps noswap syslog kmap=qwerty/fi-latin9
initrd /tce/release/tinycoreplus.gz
Maybe I did something wrong there. I need to backup to get persistence which I did hope the arguments above would give me.
What operating systems do you already have on the computer?
Win7Starter, Some ten Puppy Linux in frugal install, Archiso, Swift, Slabix, Knoppix and some more. SlitaZ Nimblex Vector Goblin, Wolvix, Slax, etc
If you already have Linux, you will probably already have Grub. Is that the case?
Yes grub4dos
Do you have a cd/dvd reader, but not a writer?
None of that. it is a Netbook they are too small to have built in such big things.
It is quite easy to install Tiny Core without a cd writer. I am just not clear about your situation.
Well TC base need ntfs - 3g to work so it is super easy if you know how to but if you like me fail to read written instructions and understand them then it can be super difficult until I know then it sure is very easy. I've done some 25 to 30 frugal installs of Puppy Linux and it is super easy when one know how to.
Now when I already have the remix going. how can I do a frugal install of TC base or what you name it. Current version.
Will not the subdirs compete with each other? Can I rename boot to tceboot or does it not see that one ? I change the entry in grub accordingly?
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opt=sda3 tce=sda3 home=sda3 local=sda3
Maybe I did something wrong there. I need to backup to get persistence which I did hope the arguments above would give me.
None of those with exception from tce= could ever work on a non-UNIX filesystem.
Please see documentation about using backup and restore (and possibly PPR) for persistence.
I've done some 25 to 30 frugal installs of Puppy Linux and it is super easy when one know how to.
A frugal install of TC seems to be more simple compared to Puppy, as only copying of 2 files and specifying them as kernel and initrd in bootloader are required.
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Yes tinypoodle, you are right. One only need two files but then one need a linux partition.
One can only set up such on computers that one own. OEM has made it risky to do such on their set ups with windows recovery demanding that the HDD is not touched by any formatting or shrinking because that change the size and the saved dientity of that HDD it will look tampered with.
So one need to go the USB or CD route. So sure it is easier with two instead of three files.
But TC seems then impossible to do on NTFS unless you first install it on something else and makes it ntfs-3g compatible?
Are you sure it is not possible? Have none explained how to in the whole forum?
What on earth did I do then one year ago. I remember I had it on the Menu.lst and on the HDD too but did it never boot? I have to go through all my posts since me joined to find out.
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Yes tinypoodle, you are right. One only need two files but then one need a linux partition.
But TC seems then impossible to do on NTFS unless you first install it on something else and makes it ntfs-3g compatible?
Are you sure it is not possible? Have none explained how to in the whole forum?
You seem to mix up a lot of things due to not thoroughly reading basic documentation first...
1. Frugal installs are supported out of the box on FAT* and ext* filesystems.
That is a choice of the developers made about specific filesystems, not at all about a linux partition or not, as neither FAT* are linux filesystems nor are any UNIX /Linux filesystems beyond ext* supported.
2. A UNIX filesystem would be required for any - even partial - "hybrid" type install approach (scatter mode), and that is not particular to TC in the slightest, but is valid for any Linux system.
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Then SvOlli is my hero because his remix that I use now is working very well on NTFS HDD and it do backup so I can save bookmarks on Firefox.
He changed from isolinux boot to grub4dos boot and he included the ntfs-3g so it is already built in.
That way it just works on NTFS.
But I understand. Roberts don't want to support NTFS out of the box and that is okay with me.
He is the Dev of TC so I accept he decide on what to give priority.
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newbody, I can see 3 options.
1. If you want, you can just keep using the remix, and not install the regular Tiny Core. With that remove local=sda3 from Grub4DOS.
2. I have a notebook which came with 2 ntfs partitions. I reduced the size of one, and put in an Ext3 and a swap partition in the space, and installed Linux. You could do the same.
3. You could install Tiny Core on a usb drive.
What are your thoughts?
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You are the guy with knowledge so I should shut my big mouth totally shut :)
I am a truly knowboby knowing almost nothing due to my very poor memory and my ADHD making me too impatient to read through instructions so I should not do Linux.
What my thoughts are. Hm
1. I sure will keep the remix, I love it dearly. I became member here 02/07/2010 and and now one year of waiting I found the remix and managed to get it to work. Jay heaven indeed. Finally as we say!
And if I take away the opt what does that change?
2. Nope that is not something I will do at all. I ahve three desktops that I can do it on if I that was the only way to learn TCL but as far as I know what I have now is the same 341 as anybody have only difference is that I boot it up using grub4dos and have NTFS-3g installed from scratch and kmaps also from scratch. Apart from that unless me missed some detail that is the only difference.
So from my humble point of view. Can I not act as any member here and see my install as unusual but as a regular 341 and be able to ask in the main parts of the forum?
Do I really need to mention what I described here? You would know and most likely Roberts would know but none of us need to make a big deal out of it. It is still the standard TCL apart from how I got it going. I have waited a whole year for to be able to use it so why not embrace me with open arm in the main forum parts?
That is my view on it. No I will not thrink and repartition it on my netbook.
3. That is truly possible. I have several such that only lie there unused.
okay that could be a good thing. that would allow me to participate in the main forum would it not?
I still would hope it would be okay as it now too but if that is the only way I am accepted then I do the USB thing. is it okay if it is a Fat16 or 32 usb install so I can use many different os on it?
Thanks indeed for taking time to respond.
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I still would hope it would be okay as it now too but if that is the only way I am accepted then I do the USB thing. is it okay if it is a Fat16 or 32 usb install so I can use many different os on it?
Which aspect about such is not clear enough to you by Reply #20?
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You are welcome to participate in the forum to discuss Tiny Core.
If you use the remix, it is over 99% the same, so most questions would be the same.
I don't make the decisions, but if people were to discuss things not related to Tiny Core, the team may not be happy.
If you want to install on a USB drive, the easiest way is to use HD/USB Install, which is probably in the Control Panel. In some versions it is in the menu. This makes it very easy.
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local=sda3 is for a different type of installation. With this method, some things may not work properly.
You don't have tce=sda3 and local=sda3 on the same operating system. Having both, I don't know what happens, but there may be malfunctions.
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Please refer to the rules and guidelines...
If you have questions on TC, that's fine, but keep remix specifics for their author/related sites, in which the remaster section serves as a list for that.
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^thehatsrule^ that is okay with me. If I install the Current TCL on an USB and then only ask about that one. Then I am within the rules. Have I got it right?
I sure want to live up to your rules. Can you confirm that the above would make me approved of?
Thanks for your patience!
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that should be fine