Tiny Core Linux
Tiny Core Base => TCB Talk => Topic started by: JunkYard on May 05, 2026, 03:37:18 PM
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Hello there
Looked at a few other Linux O.Ss link Mint, Debian and Lubuntu
Not impressed as there OS are over 3GB in download size and all 64 bit
I have a ASUS PTGD1-LA (OEM) R1.06 PTGD1-LA Motherboard that takes IDE and SATA data cables, no idea about the processor.
I also have a 32GB HDD which will be partisioned and to run as the master to host the OSs on. I also have a CD Rewriter drive too!
I think the motherboard my well install from a USB flash drive. But if it dose not then I have a spare CD that I could burn the new OS onto.
Im looking for a small enough OS that will run on my above set up and I can download and copy to USB or CD then install it onto the HDD
Any one recommend me an OS hear please?
Thanks
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Hi JunkYard
Welcome to the forum.
Your motherboard take a Pentium 4 which will have no problem running
Tinycore. The machine I'm writing this from has a Pentium 4.
You don't say how much RAM you have, but if you plan on running a
modern web browser (i.e. Firefox) , you'll want as much as you can
afford. That motherboard is rated for 3 Gbytes.
The 32GB HDD should be fine.
Your motherboard has a wired network connection, so I would recommend
one of the Tinycore ISOs, not the much larger CorePlus ISOs. Those are
needed if the only network connection available to you is wireless.
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Hi JunkYard
Welcome to the forum.
Your motherboard take a Pentium 4 which will have no problem running
Tinycore. The machine I'm writing this from has a Pentium 4.
You don't say how much RAM you have, but if you plan on running a
modern web browser (i.e. Firefox) , you'll want as much as you can
afford. That motherboard is rated for 3 Gbytes.
The 32GB HDD should be fine.
Your motherboard has a wired network connection, so I would recommend
one of the Tinycore ISOs, not the much larger CorePlus ISOs. Those are
needed if the only network connection available to you is wireless.
Memory; 2X 256MB so 512MB ram
Yes I have a Wifi PCI card so will be running WiFi
Do you have any download links to any O.Ss please?
Thanks
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Hi JunkYard
The ISO files for TC16 32 bit can be found here:
http://tinycorelinux.net/16.x/x86/release/
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Hi JunkYard
The ISO files for TC16 32 bit can be found here:
http://tinycorelinux.net/16.x/x86/release/
I dont understand any of it!
There are 15 links on that page. I dont know what ISO files are
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You can burn one of the iso files to CD/DVD and boot from that.
Do you have access to a linux machine to download the iso file and burn it to CD/DVD?
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You can burn one of the iso files to CD/DVD and boot from that.
Do you have access to a linux machine to download the iso file and burn it to CD/DVD?
I dont know how to burn an ISO file
No linux machine only windows 10
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Download the following file using windows: http://tinycorelinux.net/17.x/x86/release/CorePlus-17.0.iso
I believe if you right-click on the downloaded file, you should get an option to burn it to CD/DVD.
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Download the following file using windows: http://tinycorelinux.net/17.x/x86/release/CorePlus-17.0.iso
I believe if you right-click on the downloaded file, you should get an option to burn it to CD/DVD.
Just to clarify I m downloading "CorePlus-17.0.iso"?
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I believe if you right-click on the downloaded file, you should get an option to burn it to CD/DVD.
I used express burn to do it. its still an iso file, its to complicated i dont know how to do it
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First hit in google:
Windows 8/8.1/10
Download the ISO CD image to a folder on your computer.
Open the folder where you have saved the ISO file.
Right click on the . iso file.
From the menu select Burn disc image.
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First hit in google: Windows 8/8.1/10
Download the ISO CD image to a folder on your computer.
Open the folder where you have saved the ISO file.
Right click on the . iso file.
From the menu select Burn disc image.
I dont have a CD player on this machine its on the windows 10 computer that i am working on
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ok i have managed to burn something with the win xp system. dont think it has burnt to CD right!
Burn to CD then Booted machine from CD and have gotten this image. dont understand it! am i on the right path?
please download attachment below
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Yes, choose the first option and hit enter.
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I have dont that and been brought to a desktop. What next; how do i install it to the HHD?
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Open a terminal window, type tc-install and follow the instructions.
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Open a terminal window, type tc-install and follow the instructions.
again it makes no sence again its to complicated
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click on the icon that looks like a black square, type tc-install in the window that opens and hit return.
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click on the icon that looks like a black square, type tc-install in the window that opens and hit return.
there is no black square!
there is frucgle, 2 X USB, and a whole disk and a partitioned disk, but no black square
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Boot TinyCoreLinux from the CD you burnt. Choose the first option in the list to start the desktop.
At the bottom of the desktop you should see a number of icons - click on the icon that looks like a black square, this should open a terminal window.
In the terminal window type tc-install and hit enter.
Edit: alternatively, you can click on the icon shaped like the head of a screw, which starts tc-install directly.
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Hi Juanito
The icons for wbar are single click. Double clicking them can cause
2 instances of the associated program to run.
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Ah yes :-[
Previous posts corrected, thanks
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Boot TinyCoreLinux from the CD you burnt. Choose the first option in the list to start the desktop.
At the bottom of the desktop you should see a number of icons - click on the icon that looks like a black square, this should open a terminal window.
In the terminal window type tc-install and hit enter.
Edit: alternatively, you can click on the icon shaped like the head of a screw, which starts tc-install directly.
that is exactly what i did and the b above i stated was what i was given
Dose anyone know if there is such a thing as a file manager that can be accessed from the live CD?
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I have tried to get a better photo of the screen this time
please see the attachment
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ok i have managed to burn something with the win xp system. dont think it has burnt to CD right!
Burn to CD then Booted machine from CD and have gotten this image. dont understand it! am i on the right path?
please download attachment below
ftr what you can see ( if more depth of perspective / demystification is useful?.. to you or others ..)
is the ISOLINUX (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SYSLINUX) boot loader menu
which displays a menu list of different options
** @tc:staff idk if the isolinux memu.lst part of the iso distribution is also available in the repo
but if it was perhaps ? being able to post a link to the plain text of this configuration might offer some enlightenment to
those unacquainted with these details of the Linux boot process
also perhaps the wiki would benefit from adding an image of the isolinux menu options ?...
specifically added @ https://wiki.tinycorelinux.net/doku.php?id=wiki:getting_started
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Hi JunkYard
I don't believe Tinycore is the right Linux distro for you.
It is geared more towards individuals that at least have
some minimal knowledge of Linux looking to configure
a system that matches their needs.
Personally, I do not think you meet that description. As I
followed this thread, I have come to the conclusion you
are just a few keystrokes away from destroying the data
on one of your hard drives.
I'd like to suggest you Google for:
linux distro with auto install next to windows
Then look through the results for a version of Linux that
better matches your comfort level.
Use it to learn more about Linux and entering commands
manually. Tinycore is not all point and click. You will need
to learn to enter commands from the keyboard.
After you have some more experience, and if you are still
interested, you could take another look at Tinycore.
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Hi JunkYard
I don't believe Tinycore is the right Linux distro for you.
It is geared more towards individuals that at least have
some minimal knowledge of Linux looking to configure
a system that matches their needs.
Personally, I do not think you meet that description. As I
followed this thread, I have come to the conclusion you
are just a few keystrokes away from destroying the data
on one of your hard drives.
I'd like to suggest you Google for:
linux distro with auto install next to windows
Then look through the results for a version of Linux that
better matches your comfort level.
Use it to learn more about Linux and entering commands
manually. Tinycore is not all point and click. You will need
to learn to enter commands from the keyboard.
After you have some more experience, and if you are still
interested, you could take another look at Tinycore.
i used linux mint cinemon for a few year ago. but it was complete junk! nothing ever worked on it could not under stand any of the commands, maybe if they wrote it in .ing english then i could understand it
probably best stick to windows then
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probably best stick to windows then
Either that or you read the TinyCoreLinux book:
http://tinycorelinux.net/book.html
..and then proceed very carefully with the tc-install-GUI to avoid deleting your windows installlation and/or data.
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As I followed this thread, I have come to the conclusion you
are just a few keystrokes away from destroying the data
on one of your hard drives.
..and then proceed very carefully with the tc-install-GUI to avoid deleting your windows installlation and/or data.
imho an less dangerous alternative
would be to find a spare sata disk
and continue testing
with drives containing current install sata/power disconnected !
to avoid accidental data loss
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Hi mocore
That would be a good alternative.
I just don't want someone shooting themselves in the foot, and
then coming back complaining they only have 9 toes. :(
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probably best stick to windows then
Either that or you read the TinyCoreLinux book:
http://tinycorelinux.net/book.html
..and then proceed very carefully with the tc-install-GUI to avoid deleting your windows installlation and/or data.
To be honest it not even worth going down that road. I mean messing around with it on a Sunday afternoon and the disk wont even boot! the system has hung at the "
Setting Language to C Done.
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I seam to have managed to install the CD onto a USB stick this afternoon and the USB stick dose actully boot!
probably best stick to windows then
Either that or you read the TinyCoreLinux book:
http://tinycorelinux.net/book.html
..and then proceed very carefully with the tc-install-GUI to avoid deleting your windows installlation and/or data.
I read the contence of that book thanks! But I cant seam to find what I am after. I have another drive connected to the machine as well and I would like to read what is on it. From the tiny core O.S. Do you know how to do it please?
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The drive has most likely been assigned a name such as sda, sdb, sdc, etc.
If the drive is partitioned, the partitions will have names like sda1, sda2, sdb1, sdb2, etc.
To see if TinyCoreLinux has recognised any drives/partitions do this: ls /dev/sda*
ls /dev/sdb*
[...etc]
To access the contents of a partition using linux you need to "mount" the partition. If, for example, you see /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb2 using the commands above, you can mount and list the contents of, for example, sdb2 like this: sudo mount /dev/sdb2
ls /mnt/sdb2
Note that, depending on whether the drive partition you want to access if formatted with a linux, windows or mac file system, you may need to take additional steps to be able to mount and read files on the partition.
Note also, if you have booted TinyCoreLinux from a usb stick, at least one partition on the usb stick will be already mounted. You can see which partition is mounted like this: ls -l /etc/sysconfig/tcedir
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Jun 24 1970 /etc/sysconfig/tcedir -> /mnt/sdb2/tce/..where in this example partiton sdb2 is mounted
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Hi JunkYard
I'm just going to add a couple of minor clarifications.
... To see if TinyCoreLinux has recognised any drives/partitions do this: ls /dev/sda*
ls /dev/sdb*
[...etc] ...
This is /dev/sdb on one of my systems:
tc@E310:~$ ls /dev/sdb*
/dev/sdb /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdb3 /dev/sdb4 /dev/sdb5 /dev/sdb6 /dev/sdb7 /dev/sdb8 /dev/sdb9
tc@E310:~$
It looks like that device has 9 partitions, but it really has only 2.
Running the command like this tells a different story:
tc@E310:~$ ls -l /dev/sdb*
brw-rw---- 1 root staff 8, 16 Feb 28 11:05 /dev/sdb
brw-rw---- 1 root staff 8, 17 Feb 28 11:05 /dev/sdb1
brw-rw---- 1 root staff 8, 18 Feb 28 11:05 /dev/sdb2
brw-rw-r-- 1 root staff 8, 19 Jun 9 2019 /dev/sdb3
brw-rw-r-- 1 root staff 8, 20 Jun 9 2019 /dev/sdb4
brw-rw-r-- 1 root staff 8, 21 Jun 9 2019 /dev/sdb5
brw-rw-r-- 1 root staff 8, 22 Jun 9 2019 /dev/sdb6
brw-rw-r-- 1 root staff 8, 23 Jun 9 2019 /dev/sdb7
brw-rw-r-- 1 root staff 8, 24 Jun 9 2019 /dev/sdb8
brw-rw-r-- 1 root staff 8, 25 Jun 9 2019 /dev/sdb9
tc@E310:~$The partitions in this list with a current date are actually mountable.
The -l in the command is a lower case L, not a one.
... To access the contents of a partition using linux you need to "mount" the partition. If, for example, you see /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb2 using the commands above, you can mount and list the contents of, for example, sdb2 like this: sudo mount /dev/sdb2
ls /mnt/sdb2 ...
If the device was recognized as mountable, you don't need "sudo":
mount /dev/sdb2
ls /mnt/sdb2
... Note that, depending on whether the drive partition you want to access if formatted with a linux, windows or mac file system, you may need to take additional steps to be able to mount and read files on the partition. ...
If the partition was formatted as NTFS (Windows), you will need to
install support for that type of file system:
tce-load -wi ntfs-3g
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The drive has most likely been assigned a name such as sda, sdb, sdc, etc.
If the drive is partitioned, the partitions will have names like sda1, sda2, sdb1, sdb2, etc.
To see if TinyCoreLinux has recognised any drives/partitions do this: ls /dev/sda*
ls /dev/sdb*
[...etc]
Following you first instruction the HDD has /dev/sda (0-9 followed by it; meaning there are 9 partisions)
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To access the contents of a partition using linux you need to "mount" the partition. If, for example, you see /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb2 using the commands above, you can mount and list the contents of, for example, sdb2 like this:
Code: [Select]
sudo mount /dev/sdb2
ls /mnt/sdb2
But following your second instruction
of sudo mount /dev/sdb2 (or any number)
it says it cant find!
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this makes no sence what so ever! there is a mount tool icon on the desk top which just shows sr0, sdb1, sda5, sda1 with a red or green tab. Dose not let you open the drives!
no indication of a file manager on the desktop either. (A vital program for any O.S one would thing!)
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Hi JunkYard
this makes no sence what so ever! there is a mount tool icon on the desk top which just shows sr0, sdb1, sda5, sda1 with a red or green tab. Dose not let you open the drives! ...
It makes perfect sense. The purpose of a mount tool is to allow
you to mount and unmount drives from the systems file system.
... no indication of a file manager on the desktop either. (A vital program for any O.S one would thing!)
I'm tired of explaining this over and over again, so I'll just quote
one of my previous answers for you:
Hi Onktebong
... Is there really no file explorer pre-installed? ...
Of course not. The point of the ISOs is not to provide a system
that's ready to go and fulfill you needs. It's to get you to a GUI
(or command line) so you can then install the packages
that interest you. You don't need a file explorer for that.
The TC16 x86 CorePlus ISO is almost 290 Mbytes. Over 200 Mbytes
of that is firmware, drivers, and utilities for wireless support. Plus
there are 7 window managers included.
The point is, the ISOs don't get bloated with items not need to get
up and running.
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Hi JunkYard
this makes no sence what so ever! there is a mount tool icon on the desk top which just shows sr0, sdb1, sda5, sda1 with a red or green tab. Dose not let you open the drives! ...
It makes perfect sense. The purpose of a mount tool is to allow
you to mount and unmount drives from the systems file system.
... no indication of a file manager on the desktop either. (A vital program for any O.S one would thing!)
I'm tired of explaining this over and over again, so I'll just quote
one of my previous answers for you:
Hi Onktebong
... Is there really no file explorer pre-installed? ...
Of course not. The point of the ISOs is not to provide a system
that's ready to go and fulfill you needs. It's to get you to a GUI
(or command line) so you can then install the packages
that interest you. You don't need a file explorer for that.
The TC16 x86 CorePlus ISO is almost 290 Mbytes. Over 200 Mbytes
of that is firmware, drivers, and utilities for wireless support. Plus
there are 7 window managers included.
The point is, the ISOs don't get bloated with items not need to get
up and running.
Then is there a file manager program that I can download and install onto it, as you can see from above trying to open the drives, I can not work with the Terminal command line
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I'm tired of explaining this over and over again, so I'll just quote
one of my previous answers for you:
Hi Onktebong
... Is there really no file explorer pre-installed? ...
Of course not. The point of the ISOs is not to provide a system
that's ready to go and fulfill you needs. It's to get you to a GUI
(or command line) so you can then install the packages
that interest you. You don't need a file explorer for that.
The TC16 x86 CorePlus ISO is almost 290 Mbytes. Over 200 Mbytes
of that is firmware, drivers, and utilities for wireless support. Plus
there are 7 window managers included.
The point is, the ISOs don't get bloated with items not need to get
up and running.
Hi Rich. Well said. A 290 Mbyte ISO with the bare essentials (simple GUI, wireless support, and package manager) is a beautiful thing, bordering on magic.
Hi JunkYard. TCL is for users who want to build a custom system starting virtually from scratch. Users who want a "batteries included" distro would be better served elsewhere: Linux Mint (2.9 GB x86_64 ISO) or Ubuntu (5.9 GB x86_64 ISO) may be a better fit.
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Then is there a file manager program that I can download and install onto it, as you can see from above trying to open the drives, I can not work with the Terminal command line
You can use the extension browser to search by keywords. Searching for "file manager" finds many. If you install a graphical one (pcmanfm, emelfm, nautilus...) , it'll appear as an icon you can launch like the extension browser. Repeat as desired to install all the programs you want.
Where Tiny Core might not be for you is you need to know what programs you want, and some might need a little setting up. Other distros pick ones for you that come installed by default, hence they're often very big (including many things you might never use).
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Users who want a "batteries included" distro would be better served elsewhere: Linux $other_distro may be a better fit.
antiX Linux $verN mini review @ https://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=23425.0
this is the most "98/XP" esq one i have encountered tbh
as observed in decades past
I keep AntixM8.5 for showing friends that Linux is a bit like windows.
imho it occupies the middle ground between DIY-minimal option's and pre-plumed kitchen-sink distros
what ever direction one takes
it is hard to avoid the fact that
browsers are to ram
as zombies are to brains
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Hi GNUser
... Users who want a "batteries included" distro would be better served elsewhere: Linux Mint (2.9 GB x86_64 ISO) or Ubuntu (5.9 GB x86_64 ISO) may be a better fit.
The OP is looking to install on a Pentium 4 with 512 Meg of RAM.
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The OP is looking to install on a Pentium 4 with 512 Meg of RAM.
Hi Rich. All the more reason the OP should learn to love the TCL way of doing things ;D
Opening up a terminal and running tce-load -wi xfe (or pcmanfm or rox-filer or spacefm) is not that hard.
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I seem to have managed to install the CD onto a USB stick this afternoon and the USB stick does actually boot!
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I have another drive connected to the machine as well and I would like to read what is on it from the tiny core O.S. Do you know how to do it please?
here OP describes success in booting TCL via a USB stick. also, the OP wishes to mount and read "another drive connected to the machine" but does not offer further details regarding drive/filesystem(s)/partition(s)/etc.
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Then is there a file manager program that I can download and install onto it, as you can see from above trying to open the drives, I can not work with the Terminal command line
You can use the extension browser to search by keywords. Searching for "file manager" finds many. If you install a graphical one (pcmanfm, emelfm, nautilus...) , it'll appear as an icon you can launch like the extension browser. Repeat as desired to install all the programs you want.
Where Tiny Core might not be for you is you need to know what programs you want, and some might need a little setting up. Other distros pick ones for you that come installed by default, hence they're often very big (including many things you might never use).
So you are saying I have to donwload it onto the machine from the terminal right?
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The OP is looking to install on a Pentium 4 with 512 Meg of RAM.
Hi Rich. All the more reason the OP should learn to love the TCL way of doing things ;D
Opening up a terminal and running tce-load -wi xfe (or pcmanfm or rox-filer or spacefm) is not that hard.
As we say from my earlier post about trying to read the drives. The terminal is rubish and dose not work!
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Hi JunkYard
First of all, I deleted your last post. All you did was quote a bunch
of other posts without saying anything else.
There is nothing wrong with the terminal. I works just fine.
Did you plug a network cable into your machine?
You can't download any extensions without a network connection.
There is an icon for a GUI based extension downloader/installer:
(https://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=28126.0;attach=7251)
It won't work without a network connection either.
A few more items:
1. You will need to manage your expectations. If you expect to
point and click your way to a fully equipped system, then you
picked the wrong Linux distro.
2. You are confusing:
"this is rubbish and nothing works"
with:
"I don't know or understand how things work"
Your current issue is the latter.
3. Stop quoting entire posts. If you need to address an issue from
a post, just quote the sentence that mentions that issue.
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You can use the extension browser to search by keywords. Searching for "file manager" finds many. If you install a graphical one (pcmanfm, emelfm, nautilus...) , it'll appear as an icon you can launch like the extension browser. Repeat as desired to install all the programs you want.
So you are saying I have to donwload it onto the machine from the terminal right?
No, as Rich already said.
You said you read the Tiny Core Linux book (http://tinycorelinux.net/book.html). Re-read chapter 3 "Basic Package Management via GUI", it's only a few pages.
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Hi JunkYard
First of all, I deleted your last post. All you did was quote a bunch
of other posts without saying anything else.
That is because the first quoted poster said that I did not post any information regarding the issue I have had with not being able to open the drives. Then I quoted myself showing the terminal error codes that I had
There is nothing wrong with the terminal. I works just fine.
Did you plug a network cable into your machine?
You can't download any extensions without a network connection.
I dont have a network cable or internet connect for said motherboard/ machine. However I am weight for a delivery in the post of a USB dongle that you insert a sim card into it to get internet from. Do you know if Tiny core O.S would understand this or not. It is to my knowlage that driver hunting is a windonws thing
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Hi JunkYard
I've never dealt with that type of USB device, so I don't
know how Tinycore would deal with it.
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I think most/all current USB mobile broadband modems just identify as a USB Ethernet adapter and you use a web browser to configure them. So it may need to be configured first on a different PC that already has a web browser installed.
Older USB mobile broadband modems using "AT commands" need pppd or ModemManager configured to get them working on every use. pppd can also be configured with wvdial though I haven't tried that. I did try hard with ModemManager but it just didn't like me so I now use pppd configured manually. The extensions and dependencies for that would have to be downloaded using another PC, and it's not that simple to set up.
Hopefully this is one of the newer type of USB mobile broadband modems.
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Hi JunkYard
... Hopefully this is one of the newer type of USB mobile broadband modems.
And hopefully the device you ordered says it's Linux compatible
in its description.
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Hi JunkYard
... Hopefully this is one of the newer type of USB mobile broadband modems.
And hopefully the device you ordered says it's Linux compatible
in its description.
its one of these
https://www.vodafone.co.uk/mobile-broadband/dongles/vodafone/k5161-dongle
But I bough it from the flee site so its completly unlocked! All it says on the description is win xp and above. no mention of linux
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visited OP provided link (https://www.vodafone.co.uk/mobile-broadband/dongles/vodafone/k5161-dongle)
...clip/snip/quote...
Specifications
Model: K5161z
Form: Standard USB-A Stick
LTE Bands: B1/B3/B7/B8/B20
UMTS Bands: B1/B8
GSM/EDGE Bands: B3/B8
Dimensions: 93.8mm x 28.6mm x 13.5mm
Weight: 28.2g
Upload Speed: LTE 50 Mbps, HSPA+ UL 5.76Mbps, EDGE/GPRS Class 12
Download Speed: LTE CAT4 150 Mbps, HSPA+ Rel. 9 DL 42Mbps, EDGE/GPRS Class 12
SIM Card: 3FF SIM, 3V Sim card and 1.8V SIM card
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Chipset: ZX297520V3 Wise Fone
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Compatibility: Windows XP SP3, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8/8.1/10, MAC 10.6-10.11.
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Box content: Device, Quick Start Guide, Product Safety Information leaflet.
ddg-lite search for "Chipset: ZX297520V3 Wise Fone"(no quotation-marks used for search) gave numerous links but a brief glance didn't show anything concrete.
***added "linux" before the earlier search terms (Chipset: ZX297520V3 Wise Fone) and there were less(and some different) results/links but again nothing concrete.
is OP trying to use this dongle with "ASUS PTGD1-LA (OEM) R1.06 PTGD1-LA Motherboard"?
or have we moved on to more recent/current hardware?
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Hi gadget42
... is OP trying to use this dongle with "ASUS PTGD1-LA (OEM) R1.06 PTGD1-LA Motherboard"? ...
Yes.
Modifying the search to this:
Vodafone K5161z "linux"
returned this:
The Vodafone K5161z (a rebranded ZTE MF833U1) operates in Linux as a
plug-and-play Ethernet device rather than a traditional modem.
and also led to this:
https://nickcharlton.net/posts/vodafone-mobile-broadband-zte-k5161z-lte-dongle-linux
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the dongle arrived yesterday. but sadly it is faulty and will have to be returned
never buy any thing from ebay again!
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I got my USB dongle working in the end!
Plugged it into the Tiny Core O.S and the blue light flashes which means there is a signal and working; But that is it! no message on the screen nor nothing!
Dont know how to.....
1. Bring up the area network and internet connections programs to view what is going on
2. Dont know how to read a drive and seeing what my USB dongle is telling the computer/ OS (see unansered eirlier posts)
3. open up a web page browser, or let me guess, like other fundermmental user programs; it was never installed to save on space. so instead we have to rely on the dreded ^#%&$&&%hjjlkhjlkhjkw terminals which make so so much sence for a Marshon from the planet Mars
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Hi JunkYard
First of all, I deleted your last post. All you did was quote a bunch
of other posts without saying anything else.
There is nothing wrong with the terminal. I works just fine.
Did you plug a network cable into your machine?
You can't download any extensions without a network connection.
There is an icon for a GUI based extension downloader/installer:
(https://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=28126.0;attach=7251)
It won't work without a network connection either.
So after I click that magic button then what do I do next please?
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First you need to check if you have a network connection.
Open a terminal window and enter the following: ping -c2 google.com
[you should see something like the following]
PING google.com (172.217.20.46): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 172.217.20.46: seq=0 ttl=115 time=17.079 ms
64 bytes from 172.217.20.46: seq=1 ttl=115 time=17.941 ms
--- google.com ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 17.079/17.510/17.941 ms
If you don't get this, enter the following to see if your dongle is seen as a network device: ifconfig
[you should see something like the following]
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 2C:CF:67:ED:A2:31
inet addr:192.168.1.17 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:2491540 errors:0 dropped:1768544 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:96498 errors:0 dropped:1 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:262445147 (250.2 MiB) TX bytes:18785590 (17.9 MiB)
Interrupt:106
lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:65536 Metric:1
RX packets:4 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:4 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:200 (200.0 B) TX bytes:200 (200.0 B)
If you don't get something similar to this unplug your device, plug it in again and enter the following: dmesg | tail -20..and paste the result in this thread.
If on the other hand you do have a working network/internet connection, you can, for example, use the apps gui to download and load these extensions:
emelfm (simple file manager)
firefox-ESR (web browser)
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First you need to check if you have a network connection.
Open a terminal window and enter the following: ping -c2 google.com
[you should see something like the following]
PING google.com (172.217.20.46): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 172.217.20.46: seq=0 ttl=115 time=17.079 ms
64 bytes from 172.217.20.46: seq=1 ttl=115 time=17.941 ms
--- google.com ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 17.079/17.510/17.941 ms
emelfm (simple file manager)
firefox-ESR (web browser)
I have only done the first bit the "ping -c2 google.com" and it displays
PING google.com (42.251.30.113) 56 data bytes
65 bytes from 42.251.30.113 seq=0 ttl=100 time...
65 bytes from 42.251.30.113 seq=1 ttl=100 time...
---google.com ping statistics---
2 packets transmitted 2 packets recived recived 0% packet loss
round trip min/avg/max 46.446/57.026/67.587 ms
[Edit]: Fixed code tags. Rich
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Dose that mean its working?
emelfm (simple file manager)
firefox-ESR (web browser)
if I type that into the terminal, will they bough download to the desktop?
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Hi JunkYard
That means you have an Internet connection.
Now enter:
tce-load -wi emelfm firefox-ESR
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Note that Firefox will completely lock up when browsing many websites on your PC with only 512MB RAM. That's not a Tiny Core issue, modern Firefox needs more RAM than that for most usage regardless of the OS.
TC has extensions for other Web browsers that work better with low RAM. Your internet is working fine, so use the apps browser to find and install them via a GUI as described in the book. Seamonkey is based on older Firefox with lower system requirements, and there's also netsurf, dillo, links-full...
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TC has extensions for other Web browsers that work better with low RAM.
Could you recommend any please? and if so do you have the terminal code so I can install it please?
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Hi JunkYard
That means you have an Internet connection.
Now enter:
tce-load -wi emelfm firefox-ESR
I have just installed it; then I double clicked on the icon but it wont load!
I went to the terminal and types "firefox" after a few minutes it said. Crash anouncment graphics critical error
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Try this browser, it uses less memory
tce-load -wil dillo
Did the emelfm file manager work?
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Try this browser, it uses less memory tce-load -wil dillo
Thanks! will give it a try and post back
Did the emelfm file manager work?
Yes it downloaded thanks, but non of the slave HDDs are plugged in at the moment to test it
You dont happen to know if there is a word processor like libre-office that I can download onto it by any chance?
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You can use the apps gui to see the list of available extensions and search the list - libreoffice is available, but might require more memory than you have.
You might be better to start off with “editor” (the pen icon) which is provided with the iso.
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Try this browser, it uses less memory tce-load -wil dillo
I managed to download and open it. bit its not quite right!
1. it wont go to google.com, says there are no java scrips
2. wont let me sign into this forum says
An Error Has Occurred!
Session verification failed. Please try logging out and back in again, and then try again.
3. Youtube.com is just a blank page with a few lines on it
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You can use the apps gui to see the list of available extensions and search the list - libreoffice is available, but might require more memory than you have.
You might be better to start off with “editor” (the pen icon) which is provided with the iso.
the apps gui?
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Click on the screw head icon or enter “apps” in a terminal window.
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Click on the screw head icon or enter “apps” in a terminal window.
So I went to the apps tab and pressed browsed and there are 1000s of listings
There is one called "libreoffice.tcz". Will that install and run on my the tiny core O.S? And if so what is the command to install it please?
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As said, with the limited amount of memory you have, libreoffice might not run, you'll have to try and see.
To load libreoffice either:
Select it in the apps gui and click on download and load
or
tce-load -wil libreoffice
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As said, with the limited amount of memory you have, libreoffice might not run, you'll have to try and see.
To load libreoffice either:
Select it in the apps gui and click on download and load
or
tce-load -wil libreoffice
I'll give it a try if I can, but it wont boot at the moment; its hung!
Are all the install codes like that? because I noticed the first one was wi and not wil
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Hi JunkYard
Enter:
tce-loadand it will list what those options do.
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I have managed to get hold of another 512MB of ram and running FF browser in TC OS on this login. Even 1GB ram still very slow! liked the speed of Dillo much quicker but dose not work! Think I should write to them
PS A while ago I remember there being a text based only (white onto black) Web Browser that was something to do with tiny core. "Joes something something 1989 "rings a bell!
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Lynx?
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Lynx?
Yes Yes thats the one! will go into the program store (like you surgested before) and see if I can find it :)
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i have typed dillo into the terminal and it is no longer there but says it is installed
with out knowing how to copy and paste the terminal text there is not more i can say really. only is this firefox browser is no good. and tce-load -wi/wil libreoffice dont work either
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You installed dillo but didn't set the extension to load at start-up, so you need to do "tce-load -i dillo" before it will run again. Installing programs "ondemand" might be better for your usage using "tce-load -wo", or use the GUI as is described the book (which I can't believe you really read).
I find Firefox runs OK with 2GB RAM, but after tweaking lots of settings to optimise it. 1GB might still be tight. YouTube isn't going to happen - it needs much more. Try front-end websites like Invidious or GenYT to download video files you can watch with a video player program like VLC.
Dillo doesn't support Javascript, which Google requires now as well as YouTube. Still, I use it for most of my web browsing. You can click on the manifying glass icon next to the URL bar to open the search window where you can enter a search query which is loaded from Duck Duck Go.
Unfortunately the Tiny Core forum webmaster has turned off using the PHPSESSID string so you need to enable cookies in Dillo which are disabled by default. You do this by creating a file containing "forum.tinycorelinux.net ACCEPT_SESSION" at "~/.dillo/cookiesrc". That's sure to give you horrors though, so yes pick another web browser. I suggested Seamonkey before since it's closest to the capabilities of Firefox, though I don't use it myself. Netsurf might be better for performance while still being a bit more user-friendly than Dillo.
Repeat: Playing YouTube videos on the main YouTube website isn't going to work well or at all on your PC unless you download them using another website (or yt-dlp in the terminal, but I guess you won't like that). If that's what you want it for then I'd give up now. Libreoffice might be the same, I use Ted but I don't think you'll like that, Abiword might be a better option.
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Try this browser, it uses less memory tce-load -wil dillo
I managed to download and open it. bit its not quite right!
1. it wont go to google.com, says there are no java scrips
2. wont let me sign into this forum says
An Error Has Occurred!
Session verification failed. Please try logging out and back in again, and then try again.
3. Youtube.com is just a blank page with a few lines on it
I have written to the owners of "Dillo" web browser from there email address on there web page requesting Java Scrips. However the email address of "dillo-dev-owner@mailman3.com" has been RTS. for reasons stated below
Your message to the Dillo-dev mailing-list was rejected for the following
reasons:
The message is not from a list member
The original message as received by Mailman is attached.
In view of the fact that the "dillo" typed terminal (see my other post) has now vanished off of the eithernet. And they are not responding to my email and the web browser program did not work right anyway. It is of my opinion that this program is obsolete and abandoned! therefore i would respectfully request that the owners of this forum and hence the creators of this O.S contact the owners of Dillo them self, and if no reply then I would request that they remove the program from the data base completly to save up on wasted spam
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You installed dillo but didn't set the extension to load at start-up, so you need to do "tce-load -i dillo" before it will run again. Installing programs "ondemand" might be better for your usage using "tce-load -wo", or use the GUI as is described the book (which I can't believe you really read).
OK so I did that and then some stuff that I dont know how to copy and paste appeared. I then typed "dillo" and the program appeared on the desk top. Must i do this ever time? I mean 2 commands,? should it not bring up an icon up on the desck top for me to be able to load the program?
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Unfortunately the Tiny Core forum webmaster has turned off using the PHPSESSID string so you need to enable cookies in Dillo which are disabled by default. You do this by creating a file containing "forum.tinycorelinux.net ACCEPT_SESSION" at "~/.dillo/cookiesrc". That's sure to give you horrors though, so yes pick another web browser. I suggested Seamonkey before since it's closest to the capabilities of Firefox, though I don't use it myself. Netsurf might be better for performance while still being a bit more user-friendly than Dillo..
but even still with cookies on, i wont be able to access google or youtube with out the java scrips rights?
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Repeat: Playing YouTube videos on the main YouTube website isn't going to work well or at all on your PC unless you download them using another website (or yt-dlp in the terminal, but I guess you won't like that). If that's what you want it for then I'd give up now. Libreoffice might be the same, I use Ted but I don't think you'll like that, Abiword might be a better option.
i have used libreoffice for quite some years now. not the best of programs but you get what you pay for
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Lynx?
can it be downloaded and installed?
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I find Firefox runs OK with 2GB RAM, but after tweaking lots of settings to optimise it. 1GB might still be tight. YouTube isn't going to happen - it needs much more. Try front-end websites like Invidious or GenYT to download video files you can watch with a video player program like VLC.
Repeat: Playing YouTube videos on the main YouTube website isn't going to work well or at all on your PC unless you download them using another website (or yt-dlp in the terminal, but I guess you won't like that). If that's what you want it for then I'd give up now. Libreoffice might be the same, I use Ted but I don't think you'll like that, Abiword might be a better option.
I found another 512KB of ram and put it in. youtube and this browser FF works but it is bad. and not worth presuing in the long run IMHO. However there is no sound from the sound card in YT, i though linux was all plug and play
BTW I have other windows xp browsers that are working better then this one on the other side of the tape
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but even still with cookies on, i wont be able to access google or youtube with out the java scrips rights?
Correct, and like I say if you want to use the YouTube website I think it's a lost cause on your PC. Dillo recently made a new release, but simply doesn't intend to support Javascript. Dillo users like me happy without it, and avoiding websites that require it. Seamonkey does support Javascript, probably still not YouTube though. Maybe some of Google, I don't know (I use Duck Duck Go in Dillo like I described).
Must i do this ever time? I mean 2 commands,? should it not bring up an icon up on the desck top for me to be able to load the program?
You can have it load automatically if you add it to onboot.lst (this is automatic if it was installed with "tce-load -wi dillo" or the default "OnBoot" option in the Apps GUI):
echo dillo.tcz >> /etc/sysconfig/tcedir/onboot.lst
Then you get an icon on the apps bar at the bottom and an option in the menu.
Or if you install in OnDemand ("tce-load -wo") mode you get an "OnDemand" menu option for starting it without increasing boot-up time. Eg. for seamonkey:
tce-load -wo seamonkey
However there is no sound from the sound card in YT, i though linux was all plug and play
As people keep trying to tell you, Tiny Core isn't designed to be as "plug and play" as other Linux distros. You're expected to set up things like sound (https://wiki.tinycorelinux.net/doku.php?id=wiki:setting_up_sound) yourself.
BTW I have other windows xp browsers that are working better then this one on the other side of the tape
Firefox on Windows XP will be an older version with lower system requirements since newer versions don't support XP anymore. Seamonkey's performance might be more like that since it's based on old Firefox code.
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Correct, and like I say if you want to use the YouTube website I think it's a lost cause on your PC. Dillo recently made a new release, but simply doesn't intend to support Javascript. Dillo users like me happy without it, and avoiding websites that require it. Seamonkey does support Javascript, probably still not YouTube though. Maybe some of Google, I don't know (I use Duck Duck Go in Dillo like I described).
I use duck duck go myself; and it works well on dillo! you can not ask for more then a box that you can just easly find and type into.
But I have several well used email account, protonmail and gmail. Bough require Java Scrips. Do you use an email address that dose not require Jave Scrip
So I take it that you do not use "dillo" to post on this site right?
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You can have it load automatically if you add it to onboot.lst (this is automatic if it was installed with "tce-load -wi dillo" or the default "OnBoot" option in the Apps GUI):
echo dillo.tcz >> /etc/sysconfig/tcedir/onboot.lst
I dont understand any of that! and there are non of those fancy arrows on my key board to input in onto the terminal anyway
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Code: [Select]
tce-load -wo seamonkey
Ok I have now typed that into the terminal and it loaded a few thing then it finished then I typed "seamonkey" into the terminal and it loaded the browser. So I have come to this web site using seamoney managed to log in (unlike dillo!) and now posting this! No sight of a seamonkey icon on the desk to though
Again; if I can not log in using "Dillo" then I take it that you can not log in using "Dillo" either
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As people keep trying to tell you, Tiny Core isn't designed to be as "plug and play" as other Linux distros. You're expected to set up things like sound yourself..
I read the first bit in that link you provided. again its to confusing and nothing there in the bulleting points that says some thing like If you need sound for a sound card. Which is basicaly what I need anyway
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Firefox on Windows XP will be an older version with lower system requirements since newer versions don't support XP anymore. Seamonkey's performance might be more like that since it's based on old Firefox code.
I am using a browser called "My Pal" in windows XP. its an update of the "google chrome" for win xp that some one has modified them self. I have Google Chrome on win xp and it is much faster then my pal, but google chrome wont load most sites, where my pal will!
However my pal in win XP is much faster then firefox hear on linux TC
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Sure I log in and post here from Dillo, I'm doing so now. I've got "forum.tinycorelinux.net ACCEPT_SESSION" in "~/.dillo/cookiesrc" which enables cookies here like I said before.
Buy Seamonkey will probably work better for you since you don't need to edit files like that to change settings, and it supports (some) Javascript.
You type '>' by pressing "SHIFT+.". Or highlight the text and press the middle mouse button/wheel (or both mouse buttons together if you only have two) to paste it in the terminal.
The sound guide works for me. In particular see the "Rich setup guide" part.
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Sure I log in and post here from Dillo, I'm doing so now. I've got "forum.tinycorelinux.net ACCEPT_SESSION" in "~/.dillo/cookiesrc" which enables cookies here like I said before.
To be honest if it wont load my emails coz there are no Java Scrips for it then I'll probably just forget about dillo all together!
Buy Seamonkey will probably work better for you since you don't need to edit files like that to change settings, and it supports (some) Javascript.
I have just tried going into protonmail from seamonkey, and its just a blank white screen!
The sound guide works for me. In particular see the "Rich setup guide" part.
The first instruction is Install alsa-config.tcz and alsa.tcz
Non of those 2 commands work!
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To be honest if it wont load my emails coz there are no Java Scrips for it then I'll probably just forget about dillo all together!
That's probably a good idea for you.
Buy Seamonkey will probably work better for you since you don't need to edit files like that to change settings, and it supports (some) Javascript.
I have just tried going into protonmail from seamonkey, and its just a blank white screen!
Yeah, you'll have that happen with these lightweight browsers on many websites. You could use a real email client instead of webmail, Protonmail should have a guide for setting one up. You've already been told how to find extensions for programs like email clients yourself.
The sound guide works for me. In particular see the "Rich setup guide" part.
The first instruction is Install alsa-config.tcz and alsa.tcz
Non of those 2 commands work!
You install with "tce-load -wi" or the Apps GUI, like you've been told before. This has been explained to you plenty, and you claimed to read the book that explains it already. If you're just not going to think about how to install extensions, either via the terminal or the Apps GUI, this is never going to work. It's no use repeating myself.
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Hi JunkYard
... The first instruction is Install alsa-config.tcz and alsa.tcz
Non of those 2 commands work!
Maybe you could provide more detailed information besides "it doesn't work".
How did you try to install alsa-config.tcz and alsa.tcz?
Did you use the Apps GUI or the terminal?
If you used the terminal, what command did you enter?
Was there an error message?
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Hi CNK
I changed "SHIFT+." to "SHIFT+." in your reply #93 to make
the period more visible.
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@Rich: Good idea, thanks!
@JunkYard: I forgot Seamonkey has an email client built-in, so you just need to look for the settings to use for your Protonmail account, eg. IMAP and SMTP.
EDIT: Oh, looks like with Protonmail (https://proton.me/support/imap-smtp-and-pop3-setup) that's a bit more complicated than usual, and requires a paid plan.
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The first instruction is Install alsa-config.tcz and alsa.tcz
Non of those 2 commands work!
You install with "tce-load -wi" or the Apps GUI, like you've been told before. This has been explained to you plenty, and you claimed to read the book that explains it already. If you're just not going to think about how to install extensions, either via the terminal or the Apps GUI, this is never going to work. It's no use repeating myself.
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"tce-load -wi alsa-config.tcz" has returned a 404 error!
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Hi JunkYard
... The first instruction is Install alsa-config.tcz and alsa.tcz
Non of those 2 commands work!
Maybe you could provide more detailed information besides "it doesn't work".
I cant copy and paste any thing from the terminal so there is very little that I can say
PS it was via the terminal and a 404 error this time though (cant remember what happened before)
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I have had another go at downloading and installing LibreOffice
I went to the "apps" program. Found "libreoffice.tcz" and clicked on it. then pressed the "go" tab at the bottom of the screen. Then it brought up a white color terminal box and installed it
I then went to the terminal and typed in bough "libreoffice" and "libreoffice.tcz and nothing found!
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@JunkYard: I forgot Seamonkey has an email client built-in, so you just need to look for the settings to use for your Protonmail account, eg. IMAP and SMTP.
EDIT: Oh, looks like with Protonmail (https://proton.me/support/imap-smtp-and-pop3-setup) that's a bit more complicated than usual, and requires a paid plan.
Probably best forget about seamonkey if its all the same!
However I did manage to install Lynx!
I then type in lynx in the terminal and it brings up in a blue box. An SSL error: unable to get local issuer certificate!
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Try loading the ca-certificates extension
Edit: after loading the ca-certificates extension, "lynx forum.tinycorelinux.net" works
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I have had another go at downloading and installing LibreOffice
I went to the "apps" program. Found "libreoffice.tcz" and clicked on it. then pressed the "go" tab at the bottom of the screen. Then it brought up a white color terminal box and installed it
I then went to the terminal and typed in bough "libreoffice" and "libreoffice.tcz and nothing found!
I don't know why new programs aren't appearing on the menu or as icons for you, but it looks like the "loffice" command starts it from the terminal. I don't use it myself.
If you don't like Dillo or Seamonkey, I can't imagine you're really serious about using Lynx of all browsers...
Not sure why you'd get a 404 error for alsa-config unless there was a typo in the name you entered.
Copy by selecting text and paste with the middle mouse button (or wheel) or both mouse buttons together like I said before.
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Try loading the ca-certificates extension
Edit: after loading the ca-certificates extension, "lynx forum.tinycorelinux.net" works
Command not found!
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What did you do immediately prior to getting the message “command not found”?
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What did you do immediately prior to getting the message “command not found”?
I just typed "ca-certificates extension"
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So:
tce-load -i ca-certificates
lynx forum.tinycorelinux.net ?
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So: tce-load -i ca-certificates
says its now installed
lynx forum.tinycorelinux.net [/code]
there is a blue bar at the bottom of the terminal screen, with a yellow text inside of it quaoting a web page and a cookie and PHPSE= soome letters and numbers with Y/N/allaways/never___
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Hi JunkYard
... there is a blue bar at the bottom of the terminal screen, with a yellow text inside of it quaoting a web page and a cookie and PHPSE= soome letters and numbers with Y/N/allaways/never___
I recommend you do not select always or never. Those choices will likely
write a setting to some configuration file.
I suggest you try Y and see what happens. If it's not to your liking, restart and
try N and see if that's any better.
It sounds like it might be asking if you want to accept cookies, but based on the
supplied information, that's just a guess.
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Hi JunkYard
... there is a blue bar at the bottom of the terminal screen, with a yellow text inside of it quaoting a web page and a cookie and PHPSE= soome letters and numbers with Y/N/allaways/never___
I recommend you do not select always or never. Those choices will likely
write a setting to some configuration file.
I suggest you try Y and see what happens. If it's not to your liking, restart and
try N and see if that's any better.
It sounds like it might be asking if you want to accept cookies, but based on the
supplied information, that's just a guess.
There is not much i can do at the moment; as there is nothing i can do at the moment! seamonkey stopped working yesterday and today tried it again ping c2 google.com, no resaults found
we seam to be going back wards and not faqrwards
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Hi JunkYard
... there is a blue bar at the bottom of the terminal screen, with a yellow text inside of it quaoting a web page and a cookie and PHPSE= soome letters and numbers with Y/N/allaways/never___
I recommend you do not select always or never. Those choices will likely
write a setting to some configuration file.
I suggest you try Y and see what happens. If it's not to your liking, restart and
try N and see if that's any better.
It sounds like it might be asking if you want to accept cookies, but based on the
supplied information, that's just a guess.
There is not much i can do at the moment; as there is nothing i can do at the moment! seamonkey stopped working yesterday and today tried it again ping c2 google.com, no resaults found
we seam to be going back wards and not faqrwards
looks like the internet is working today; how strange is that!
i recon it was that money program that caused it
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test post
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test post 2
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ok I made my last 2 posts from the lynx command, it was very difficault to naviage the page and will take a long time to learn