Tiny Core Linux
Tiny Core Extensions => TCE Q&A Forum => Topic started by: ulfr on August 26, 2020, 04:03:02 PM
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hi all
i am trying to set up tinycore 11 with firefox and vlc
firefox esr will run play youtube and has sound
vlc will not start with errors
failed to intialise XRander
and others
any ideas
thanks
ulfr
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Hi ulfr
That sounds like maybe you need to be running Xorg to use vlc.
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thanks rich
i will try adding xorg
ulfr
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Hi ulfr
Actually, you need to switch from Xvesa to Xorg.
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hi rich
alas loading X gives the same error
wanderer
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Assuming you are speaking of the vlc3 extension with Core-11.x...
This seems to work fine: $ tce-load -i graphics-KERNEL alsa-config Xorg-7.7 pavucontrol vlc3
$ startx
..then start pavucontrol and start vlc
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here are the errors
the same if xorg is loaded or not
[08539290] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface.
qt.qpa.xcb: failed to initialize XRandr
qt.qpa.xcb: XKeyboard extension not present on the X server
QStandardPaths: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set, defaulting to '/tmp/runtime-tc'
libEGL warning: MESA-LOADER: failed to open swrast (search paths /usr/local/lib/dri)
libEGL warning: MESA-LOADER: failed to open swrast (search paths /usr/local/lib/dri)
libEGL warning: MESA-LOADER: failed to open swrast (search paths /usr/local/lib/dri)
libEGL warning: MESA-LOADER: failed to open swrast (search paths /usr/local/lib/dri)
Illegal instruction
ulfr
[EDIT]: Added code tags. Rich
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thanks will try
ulfr
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Hi ulfr
here are the errors
the same if xorg is loaded or not
[08539290] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface.
----- Snip -----
Illegal instruction
Thats a problem. It means the program needs to execute an instruction that your processor does not support.
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I updated vlc3 and forced it to compile for i486, maybe you could update your version and try again?
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thanks very much guys
much appreciated
will try with new one
ulfr
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hi guys
tried new vlc3 from repo
same error
here is what i did to replicate error
made home and tce on sda1
downloaded
alsa-config
alsa
pulseaudio
vlc3
firefox-ESR
loaded them in that order
firefox-ESR runs plays youtube with sound
vlc3 give same error and will not start
vlc3 works with sound on tinycore 10
i note that the deps for vlc3 in 10 and 11 are different
thanks
ulfr
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What processor do you have?
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hi juanito
thank you for all your help but i fear i am taking up too much of your time
have other people reported this issue
the processor on this machine is an old intel celeron
however since the vlc3 in tinycore 10 worked and the vlc3 in tinycore 11 didn't
what has changed between the two
thanks again
ulfr
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It looks like an instruction that an intel celeron cannot process crept in somehow.
The latest vlc3 was compiled with both "-march=i486 -mtune=i686" and "--target=i486-pc-linux-gnu" and reports it was configured for "architecture : i486 mmx sse sse2"
Does the tc-10.x vlc3 work in tc-11.x?
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the vlc3 in tinycore 10 will not load in tinycore 11
because a kernel specific dependency could not be found
ulfr
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Hi ulfr
I'd like to demonstrate the value of providing exact error messages reported by the operating system.
In your original post, you reported:
... vlc will not start with errors
failed to intialise XRander
and others ...
Which suggested the problem was you needed to be running Xorg.
6 posts later, you provided the actual error messages produced:
here are the errors
the same if xorg is loaded or not
[08539290] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use 'cvlc' to use vlc without interface.
----- Snip -----
Illegal instruction
This showed the actual problem was your processor did not support some instruction that the program was trying to execute.
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Hi Juanito
Except for original-modules-KERNEL , I don't see any .dep files that contain a specific kernel version in the TC10 or TC11 repos.
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thanks - I see the 10.x vlc3 depends on libavdevice3, whereas the 11.x vlc3 depends on libavdevice4, so the two are not interchangeable.
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yes
sorry rich
i will make sure i provide the actual error output in the future
didn't mean to waste your time
and thanks for all the help
much appreciated
ulfr
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hi guys
just wanted to update this thread
my goal is to build a basic system with tinycore 11
the only apps that need to be updated are firefox and vlc
the rest are various utility programs that i have never had any problems with
since firefox will play you tube with sound
i am half the way there
i note that vlc 3 in tinycore 10 will work with sound
and that dcore stretch will download a working vlc 3 from debian and make it into an sce
( i have not tried setting up sound in dcore yet but will )
so i have hope that i will be able to bundle binaries together to make a working vlc for tinycore 11
anyway that is what i am working on now
any words of wisdom to speed me on my quest will be appreciated
thanks for making this great system and for all the help
ulfr
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success
both firefox (plays youtube) and vlc work with sound in dcore stretch
ulfr
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hi rich and juanito
just to update things
i have been trying to find a vlc that will work in tinycore 11
but so far no luck
i dont have the ability to compile so complex a program
so i am just looking for binaries
most have run but stopped with missing dependencies
i then slowly added them
until eventually with one the glibc was too old
anyway will keep trying
thanks for making such a great system
ulfr
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at the risk of boring everyone to death
i just put tinycore 11 on another computer
and vlc3 works fine on this one
of course verifying what you guys said about it being the chip
well i can use tinycore 11 on this computer
but will still look to see what vlc3 binaries i can find that will run on the other computer
its been a lot of fun
ulfr
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Hello TinyCore Team
maybe Im in the same waters here ,
trying to run VLC3 on my old computer ( pentium M , according to VLC , Pentium is supported from PRO on )
after installed pavucontrol as per instructions on another post ,
I installed VLC3 , reboot
VLC blinks a screen , but never open
could it be error due to unsupported instructions
how do I see that ? how to run command line to get this report ?
regards
G.O
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ohh more newbe impossible , :P
on terminal , type VLC enter ....
the report said ... ILLEGAL INSTRUCTION .... nouaaaaa :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
for the records , DELL latitude Pentium M
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Hi grenchyoll
It looks like the Illegal instruction might be coming from qt.
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qt was compiled with "-march=i486 -mtune=i686", but perhaps those flags were not used everywhere by the build routines?
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Hello Rich , Juanito thanks for your replies , very kind .
Ive been playing HD videos/audio from youtube on Firefox 87 , with command line
" apulse Firefox "
so its weird VLC cant even start due to "instructions" , isnt it ?!? .
So I tried my last resort , the OldTimer " mplayer-cli " but it cant start as well . After the command line "mplayer" I read :
"error while loading shared libraries : libXss.so.1 : cannot open shared object file ,
no such file or directory "
I look at APP and search for this tcz on repo , and I found it , but it says
0 bits to download , so it looks its installed
any thoughts are welcome !!!
GO
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firefox does not depend on qt-5.x, but vlc does depend on qt-5.x, so it is not particularly surprising that one works and the other does not work.
You can check if the libXss extension is loaded with: $ tce-status -i | grep libXss
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libXss added to mplayer-cli dep file
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Hello Juanito , thks for your replies . Very nice !
After some trial and errors , I could make it work .
- in Apps I had to download the following , one after another :
---- libXss.tcz
---- libXv.tcz
---- libXxf86dga.tcz
I made all that to load on boot , after that I can finally start mplayer on terminal , cool .
I finally can see JASON & The ARGONAUTS playing
on my "OldTimer" 32bit Dell D610 Pentium M .
thanks a lot !
GO
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Hi, I use tc12 (both 32 and 64 bits) from now (UEFI), and tc4-tc6 for old PC (BIOS). But I am curios:
1. Why someone will "upgrade" from (let's say) tc9 up to tc10 or tc11, but not directly to tc12?
2. Why use the LATEST versions for software? For example, why vlc3 and not vlc2? Or why LibreOffice and not gnumeric?
Could you share what you personally missed in older versions? It is not criticism or suggestion what to use, just try to learn...
(only for Firefox I understand the need to upgrade, because perceived security, freedom/privacy for bank transactions etc).
If someone use huge memory consumption (and long dependencies list) software like Firefox/LibreOffice/VLC etc, then why not use tc12 kernel? What is the criteria, because RAM limitation could not be one, for these choices?
Thank you.
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Hi grenchyoll
... so its weird VLC cant even start due to "instructions" , isnt it ?!? ...
If you still have vlc3 on your machine, does it start with one of these commands:
nvlcor:
cvlcOr does it still produce an error message containing qt and/or Illegal instruction ?
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Hi, I use tc12 (both 32 and 64 bits) from now (UEFI), and tc4-tc6 for old PC (BIOS). But I am curios:
1. Why someone will "upgrade" from (let's say) tc9 up to tc10 or tc11, but not directly to tc12?
2. Why use the LATEST versions for software? For example, why vlc3 and not vlc2? Or why LibreOffice and not gnumeric?
Could you share what you personally missed in older versions? It is not criticism or suggestion what to use, just try to learn...
(only for Firefox I understand the need to upgrade, because perceived security, freedom/privacy for bank transactions etc).
If someone use huge memory consumption (and long dependencies list) software like Firefox/LibreOffice/VLC etc, then why not use tc12 kernel? What is the criteria, because RAM limitation could not be one, for these choices?
Thank you.
Hello nick65go . Yes , you got the point , the idea is to use latest Firefox for safe browsing (banking , email ) I couldnt have that with Windows XP on this machine anymore . So for now TC12 is working perfectly for this purpose , I can browse with no restrictions whatsoever . Having media players are secondary aim to this revival project ( dell latitude D610 Pentium M , only 1gb RAM ddr2 ) .
I tried Gnumeric but is off on TC12 32bit , something went wrong when installing , LibreOffice is perfect and runs fine on this machine . Other survival kit installed , calculator , epdf-view , xmms , enough to basic tasks . Now I will try to learn some mplayer commands .
any thoughts are appreciated and really welcome .
G:O
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Hi grenchyoll
... so its weird VLC cant even start due to "instructions" , isnt it ?!? ...
If you still have vlc3 on your machine, does it start with one of these commands:
nvlcor:
cvlcOr does it still produce an error message containing qt and/or Illegal instruction ?
hey Rich
I had it unistalled , but after your reccommendation I installed VLC3 again , and now its working .
No instructions alert anymore . I dont know if there's something to do with the other dependencies which avoided mplayer to install as well . What I know is after installed those , now I could install and run VLC3 . I don't have a gui , only see "running VLC with the default interface " but no proper gui started when I click on the VLC icon . I used the command line and could play video . Would be more interesting to have a gui .
thanks for your help and guidance !!!!!
GO
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Hi grenchyoll
Thank you for testing that.
The cvlc command launches vlc3 in command line mode.
The nvlc command launches vlc3 using an ncurses interface. Think DOS graphics if you go back that far.
The GUI is provided by qt5 which the above 2 commands avoid. I think this confirms the Illegal instruction is coming from qt5.
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@grenchyoll: Thanks for your feed-back.
I am glad that you can run firefox and libreoffice on your PC. mplayer is also very good choise for your resources.
FYI: in TC12 all software work OK for me. Even I run OK some which exist only in old TC{4..11}.
So MAYBE some tcz are not compiled for your CPU capabilities. Or maybe you mixed old tcz (from tc9/10/11) with new tcz (from tc12) as I frecvently did in the past when a tcz was missing. Or maybe you mixed tcz from tc12_32 with tcz from Tc12_64, etc.
PS: if you can run libreoffice with 1GB RAM, then abiword (is like WinWord in WinXP), or gnumeric (is like Excel in WinXP) could be better for RAM resources. [But no equivalents for Powerpoint in WinXP, if you need it as a home user].
If you have troubles with gnumeric.tcz in TC12, please open a new specific post about it, and provide details, to ask for help in the forum (maybe first search about keyword gnumeric in this forum).