Tiny Core Linux
Tiny Core Base => TCB Q&A Forum => Topic started by: tadycaster on June 28, 2020, 03:43:38 PM
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Hi
I was just about to give up on this forum as I could not pass verification but tried one more time and could read the text so Im hear now (but I am sure there are many many many more who have missed out on joining hear)
Anyway, I was trying out how to convert an iso file because everything with linux has to be more complicated then need be and therefor all linux download are iso file
So I picked the smallest one which was called core (11mb) http://tinycorelinux.net/downloads.html and I have sucsessfully downloaded and unziped it and burn to a CD.
I booted an old machine up with (a Dell dimension 3000) it, and it gave me the command prompt
Anyway I have no idea what to do with it, no idea how to install it to the hard drive never mind anything ells. so therfore the OS no good!
My question is; do you think tiny core and core plus would be suitable for me. I want something the will easy install on my old machine (as I know linux mint are no good all 64bit) and I can easy install programs on it there for after
Well to be honest all I want to use it for is eaither an mp4 player (so will need plug and play drivers for the sound card) which I can install the linux VLC player for
Or use it as a video recorder with external audio interface. But I do not have any linux driver for it
Any thoughts please
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Hi tadycaster
Welcome to the forum. If you have a wired network connection, I suggest using the Tinycore ISO. If you only have wireless
network access, you will need the CorePlus ISO.
After it boots up you should see a desktop with icons along the bottom. As you slide the mouse pointer over each icon it will
display text telling you what it is. You want to click on the icon that says TC_Install. If you are using the Tinycore ISO you may
have to click on the Apps icon and use it to install tc-install-GUI.tcz first.
Then continue here:
http://tinycorelinux.net/install.html
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Hi tadycaster
Welcome to the forum. If you have a wired network connection, I suggest using the Tinycore ISO. If you only have wireless
network access, you will need the CorePlus ISO.
After it boots up you should see a desktop with icons along the bottom. As you slide the mouse pointer over each icon it will
display text telling you what it is. You want to click on the icon that says TC_Install. If you are using the Tinycore ISO you may
have to click on the Apps icon and use it to install tc-install-GUI.tcz first.
Then continue here:
http://tinycorelinux.net/install.html
I have downloaded and burn to disk the largest one
I boot up my CD. No I do not see a desk top or anything like that at all!
All I see is a cursor arrow based menu called "core plus networking instulation and remastering" with all the options of "boot core plus with...."
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Hi tadycaster
Select the one that says "Boot Core Plus with default FLWM topside" and hit Enter.
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Well I selected the first option you surgested and followed the instructions listed in your link; although they did differ slightly due to version and boot type of O.S; Given the bad experances I have had with mint and ubuntu; I am remarkably surprised at how easy and quick it has managed to install and in such a shot space of time (less then 5 minutes)
I have managed to reboot my machine running the core+ from the hard drive and I see a running desk top as one should expect
Now my next question would be, how do I operate they system? I can see there is a task bar at the bottom of the screen for things like control panel, programs and wifi.
I need to install an mp4 player lie the linux VLC player, If I was to download it from another machine can I install it hear?
For that to work I also need a working sound card. I know there is a working sound card inside of the moterboard as it worked when win 7 was installed. is there a way to check it please?
Are there any video recording programs out there (simular to the likes of windows movie maker) that will run on this OS. Video recording by means of a web cam and external audio interface (not too bothered about video editing as I have other computer for this but would still be a bonus)
And finaly since as the last icon in the list says wifi (not to bothered about this one but would be a bonus) There is no wifi card on this machine, only a land card (i think) that plugs direct into the telephone socket. I know this card dose work as before with windows 7 it did. Is there a way to activate this please?
Thanks
TC
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Hi tadycaster
... only a land card (i think) that plugs direct into the telephone socket. I know this card dose work as before with windows 7 it did. Is there a way to activate this please? ...
Click on the Apps icon. When the Apps utility opens, click on the button Apps->Cloud (Remote)->Browse. If the left panel of the
Apps utility gets populated with a list of .tcz entries then you are connected to the internet. That list is the extensions that are
available.
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only a land card (i think) that plugs direct into the telephone socket.
Lets confirm what you really have please.....Describe the bit that goes into the wall socket.
a dial up cable connector to a telephone wall socket (not a network socket) in Australia is less than 1 cm wide and has 4 copper connectors that should be visible.
a ethernet cable connector ( has different categories )
but tends to be about 1.1 cm wide and may have 8 copper connectors that should be visible.
If you are not sure measure them or photo them.
According to this link....you have both
https://downloads.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_desktop/esuprt_dimension_desktops/dimension-3000_setup%20guide_en-us.pdf
Look at the image....it claims the ethernet cable is next to the usb ports
it claims the telephone cable is on a pci card....below the usb ports.
I am not sure you can buy a dial up modem any more, so if you truly want to use a telephone cable
you will need to use hopefully any PPP dialler hardware in your PC
Let us know please.
Leaping ahead, I have not read your manual....but lets hope you mean ethernet.
2) If not, do you have another laptop/ android or iphone.... that connects to the internet you could use as a wifi hotspot?
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According to this link....you have both
https://downloads.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_desktop/esuprt_dimension_desktops/dimension-3000_setup%20guide_en-us.pdf
I have looked at the link and looked at the back of the computer and it is MISSING NUMBER 4; A MODEM which is a PCI card/ slot. It dose however have NUMBER 3 A NETWORK DEVICE which is intergrated/ soldered into the motherboard. Therefore this would of been the device I used last year to connect up to the net
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only a land card (i think) that plugs direct into the telephone socket.
Lets confirm what you really have please.....Describe the bit that goes into the wall socket.
a dial up cable connector to a telephone wall socket (not a network socket) in Australia is less than 1 cm wide and has 4 copper connectors that should be visible.
a ethernet cable connector ( has different categories )
but tends to be about 1.1 cm wide and may have 8 copper connectors that should be visible.
If you are not sure measure them or photo them.
No working cambera at the moment. But the connector on the end of the cable is 11mm wide with 8 copper strip connectors
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Leaping ahead, I have not read your manual....but lets hope you mean ethernet.
2) If not, do you have another laptop/ android or iphone.... that connects to the internet you could use as a wifi hotspot?
Yes I think it is called ethernet. I am connected to the internet at the moment on a different PC
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Hi tadycaster
... only a land card (i think) that plugs direct into the telephone socket. I know this card dose work as before with windows 7 it did. Is there a way to activate this please? ...
Click on the Apps icon. When the Apps utility opens, click on the button Apps->Cloud (Remote)->Browse. If the left panel of the
Apps utility gets populated with a list of .tcz entries then you are connected to the internet. That list is the extensions that are
available.
I have followed your steps you listed above and I can confirm that I do see a populated list of .tcz in the left hand colum under the title of select remote extention
So presuming I am connected to the internet now. What would be the next step please?
Dose the system have an inbuilt program that allows you to connect to the internet in the way of a web browser. Or will such programs need to be installed?
PS on the subject of install programs. I know the vast majority of people installing this O.S will be using it for the purpose of connecting to the internet. But since as I have a different working PC connected to the internet, I do not need internet connection with this linux core O.S. (all though it is a good back up)
My intentions hear are to run it as an mp4 player that will connect to my PA/ sound system or to use it as a video recorder using a USB web cam and an external USB audio interface (know as a sound card).
So dose the O.S have programs allready instaled to do this or do I need to install them?
Thanks
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Hi tadycaster
If you know the name of the package you are looking for, you can enter it to the right of the search button. Then click Search to see
if it's available. If it shows up in the left panel, click on it to highlight it. The panel to the right will show some information about it. Read
it because it may contain some notes about usage or installation. If you found what you are looking for, click the Go button. The
extension and all of its dependencies will be installed. Here are some of the available audio players that I'm aware of:
ffmpeg4.tcz
mpg123.tcz
vlc3.tcz
You can also use Google to search for linux audio players. Then open this to see which ones are currently available:
http://tinycorelinux.net/11.x/x86/tcz/
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If you know the name of the package you are looking for, you can enter it to the right of the search button.
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Hi tadycaster
If you know the name of the package you are looking for, you can enter it to the right of the search button.
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... I have followed your steps you listed above and I can confirm that I do see a populated list of .tcz in the left hand colum under the title of select remote extention
So presuming I am connected to the internet now. What would be the next step please? ...
Is vlc what you are looking for? Then enter vlc in the text box to the right of the Search button of the Apps utility.
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Is vlc what you are looking for? Then enter vlc in the text box to the right of the Search button of the Apps utility.
Yes VCL is one of the programs I had in mind for running mp4 files.
So if I follow the same proceedure as before with the internet card (or what ever its called)
I double click on the app icon which gives me a diolog box called "app- regular application .tcz"
Then I click apps, cloud (remote), brows and as before the right hand box show up a directory
In that below directory i find "vlc3.tcz" and click on it and it brings a description up in the right hand box
Below on the right hand side of the dialog box is an icon called "go" I click this and another dialog box appears with a fast moving text that keeps displaying 'downloading"
When it has finish the box goes and I try click the go button again but this time nothing happens
Am I correct in thinking that the app icon/ program is a download server and it has downloaded the program somewhere from off of the internet (a linux based web server/ site). If this is the case then how do I open the program up?
Thanks
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I have just noticed that the VLC icon has appeared on the desktop next to the wifi icon. I double click it and nothing happens
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I have just tried rebooting the machine
Soon as it say loading extentions on the text/ shell. The screen goes blank and there is no desktop present!
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part 1
My intentions hear are to run it as an mp4 player that will connect to my PA/ sound system or to use it as a video recorder using a USB web cam and an external USB audio interface (know as a sound card).
If you can afford it....decent usb web cams come with an inbuilt mic....but I am not sure how you need sound input setup. (Just saying)
are you attempting to have surround sound? Is that why you have bought an usb sound server as inbuilt is bad?
part 2
Rich is a nicer person than me. I am aussie so tend to be blunter.
Have you read the concepts page yet?
http://tinycorelinux.net/concepts.html
I would urge you to consider....not running in cloud mode but run in mount mode, also known as running with a persistent tce directory. It means any TCEs you download go to a permanent storage device such as a hard drive or usb stick etc. Cloud mode means if you reboot your PC all downloads are lost, unless you were sneaky enough to know how to move them to a storage device.....and that is messy and gets messier with more downloads.
therefore Soon as it say loading extentions on the text/ shell. The screen goes blank and there is no desktop present!
This is normal if you did not label your discs and have booted the core (smallest) disc
Not normal if you booted coreplus as a disc.
Its not clear to me what you have rebooted to in the past so wait to see what Rich makes of my efforts 8)
3) One of the ways to achieve persistent tce dir is to boot with a bootcode but I am reluctant to give an example until Rich resolves your current issue
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I think you have icons in your desktop at the bottom. Try restarting your system. Then right click the icons at the bottom, which makes them refresh. Then, click the orange coloured triangle (or cone) icon. It will start VLC.
If it didn't start, then try opening a terminal window and type vlc and hit enter. Then you may get some error messages. Report them here and we can provide a solution.
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Hi aus9
... I would urge you to consider....not running in cloud mode but run in mount mode, also known as running with a persistent tce directory. . ...
Not an issue. The OP installed to his hard drive.
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yes I did install to HDD and was not running the live O.S from the CD disk
Still dont know why it would not boot up properly and I only got a blank screen though
I noticed in the link above it mentions boot codes and to press F1 2 3 or 4
Would this of made any different?
Anyway it is a bit to late with that machine now as I am halfway though installing linux mint to it. So will have to use another spare machine for this linux core plus. but would like to know why I got a blank screen first before I proceed to another machine
Thank
PS the external sound card is plugged into a mixer desk with guitars keyboards and all sorts running into it
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Hi tadycaster
... plus. but would like to know why I got a blank screen first before I proceed to another machine ...
It seems that vlc depends on Xorg-7.7-3d.tcz. The default install uses Xvesa.tcz. Right off the bat, installing 2 different "X" servers
is going to cause problems. In addition, setting up Xorg-7.7-3d.tcz can be tricky on some hardware.
Prior to installing vlc, you need to:
1. Install and setup pulseaudio.tcz.
2. Install and setup Xorg-7.7-3d.tcz.
Item number 1 is mentioned in the .info file. Item number 2 was not mentioned in the .info file.
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The vlc3 (recursive) dep on libva2 is what pulls in Xorg-7.7-3d.
From some quick testing, vlc3 will work with either Xorg-7.7 or Xorg-7.7-3d.
Given that libva2 seems to require both Xorg-7.7-3d and intel-vaapi-driver as run time deps to work, I wonder if it might be better to use only libva2's direct deps in it's dep file so that vlc3, and possibly other, qt-5.x programs can run without Xorg-7.7-3d?
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Hi Juanito
...I wonder if it might be better to use only libva2's direct deps in it's dep file so that vlc3, and possibly other, qt-5.x programs can run without Xorg-7.7-3d?
Making Xorg-7.7-3d optional rather than mandatory (if possible) would be nice. I don't think qt-5.x really has anything to do with it since
libav2 doesn't show up in any of the qt-5.x trees.
These are the extensions that all eventually depend on libav2 at some level:
audacious-dev.tcz
audacious-plugins.tcz
audacious.tcz
audacity-dev.tcz
audacity-doc.tcz
audacity-locale.tcz
audacity.tcz
ffmpeg4-dev.tcz
ffmpeg4.tcz
flowblade.tcz
freerdp2-dev.tcz
freerdp2.tcz
gst-libav.tcz
intel-vaapi-driver.tcz
libavcodec4.tcz
libavdevice4.tcz
libavfilter4.tcz
libavformat4.tcz
libavresample4.tcz
libavutil4.tcz
libpostproc4.tcz
libswresample4.tcz
libswscale4.tcz
libva2-dev.tcz
libva2-utils.tcz
libva2.tcz
mlt-dev.tcz
mlt.tcz
mplayer-cli.tcz
totem-dev.tcz
totem-gir.tcz
totem.tcz
vlc3-dev.tcz
vlc3.tcz
On a side note, audacity-doc.tcz should not even be showing up in that list. It has a .dep file that lists audacity.tcz as a dependency.
-doc extensions should never depend on the extensions they document (in my opinion).
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Prior to installing vlc, you need to:
1. Install and setup pulseaudio.tcz.
2. Install and setup Xorg-7.7-3d.tcz.
I found another machine and I have installed the core plus CD (set to defult) the same way as before
I have gone to the app program and downloaded or installed both of those files by selecting the "on boot go"
Please note there was no
Xorg-7.7-3d.tcz.
Should I now install the VLC player?
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Making Xorg-7.7-3d optional rather than mandatory (if possible) would be nice. I don't think qt-5.x really has anything to do with it since
libav2 doesn't show up in any of the qt-5.x trees.
I made a quick test with the x86_64 vlc after adjusting the libva2 dep file - it gave a non-obvious segfault, which was eventually fixed by loading libvdpau - this may take a while...
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deps adjusted, but I'm almost certain to have missed something...