Tiny Core Linux
Tiny Core Base => TCB Talk => Topic started by: suare on April 22, 2014, 04:18:13 AM
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Tried to search through forum but found nothing - are there any plans to add systemd into core?
Seems like it will be able to replace bunch of packages at once potentially saving some space and speeding things up. Also it will bring interface on-par with major distros out there.
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Seems like it will be able to replace bunch of packages at once potentially saving some space and speeding things up. Also it will bring interface on-par with major distros out there.
Which packages you mean? Can you provide figures on space saving and speed gain?
In general, it is not a goal to be on-par with major (?) distros. TC is different specially on the area covered by systemd.
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No, we will not be moving to systemd. It would bring much added size and complexity, and I'm not particularly fond of the politics of that project either.
If you take a look, most of our core packages come from busybox, not separate packages.
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Agreed - somewhat unfortunately even LFS (see svn) appears to have thrown in the towel :(
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this is why i love tinycore :)
thanks again.
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Comforting to hear :D
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Seems like it will be able to replace bunch of packages at once potentially saving some space and speeding things up. Also it will bring interface on-par with major distros out there.
Reading suggestion:
http://boycottsystemd.org/
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Thanks for sharing!
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Seems like it will be able to replace bunch of packages at once potentially saving some space and speeding things up. Also it will bring interface on-par with major distros out there.
Reading suggestion:
http://boycottsystemd.org/
FYI most of those claims are invalid, misinformed and some are even outdated (esp that about glibc dependency).
Systemd has its shortcomings, and people are worried about userspace integrating with it, but most of the problems are not solely to blame on systemd.
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Reading suggestion:
LOL, as if I have not seen enough of this FUD during pathetic whining in ctte ML :)
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'looks like lfs are fixing to ditch systemd after a short trial in svn
..as an aside, most of gnome-3 seems to work on corepure64 without it.
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perhaps a bit more tempered arguments:
http://landley.net/notes-2014.html#23-04-2014
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Thanks for this link, interesting :)
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http://landley.net/notes-2014.html#23-04-2014
Wow, thanks! I have not seen such concentration of FUD and outright lies since MS published get-the-facts.
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I'm sure we're all interested in your detailed account on how exactly Landley lies.
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i tried to understand what get-the-facts stuff you're talking about, but sadly "the page you requested cannot be found"
the link was cited on wikipedia: http://www.microsoft.com/err/windowsserver/facts/
if you ask me the real facts are: both MS and linux software is a huge complex mess, and tinycore does a nice amount of preselection to keep our heads clear for whatever awful stuff we all need to acchieve with these machines from hell.
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Wow, thanks! I have not seen such concentration of FUD and outright lies since MS published get-the-facts.
are you perhaps talking about these crazy attempts of propaganda:
(https://krautchan.net/files/1398563762002.jpg)
? ::)
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I'm sure we're all interested in your detailed account on how exactly Landley lies.
He claims: blah-blah... Even if you were interested in cloning it (or a compatible subset of it), there's no "it" to clone. No spec, no clear goal... blah-blah...
Debunking this nonsense in trivial. Let me assist you with that:
1. Open browser.
2. Type "google.com"
3. Press enter.
4. Enter is a big key on the right side of keyboard
5. type "systemd api" and press enter again
Most likely the very first thing you'll get is http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/InterfacePortabilityAndStabilityChart/
Now, do you need me to help you learn double-clicking?
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That kind of attitude is not welcome here. Once more and you're banned.
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double-clicking? seriously now? ::)
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Nice:
Note that not all of these interfaces are our invention (but most), we just adopted them in systemd to make them more prominently implemented. For example, we adopted many Debian facilities in systemd to push it into the other distributions as well.
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Giving pushd a whole new meaning ;D
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double-clicking? seriously now? ::)
Well, it's not much harder than googling is it? ;-)
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Precisely!
But with some efforts one can pretend that he've never heard of those interfaces and that nothing is documented in systemd. All it takes is some ignorance and inability to google. Landley succeeded in that endeavour - others might follow that road as well.
It doesn't change the facts though :-)
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Just playing with CentOS7 and see, Red Hat moved to systemd. Wether I like it or not, I must use....
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Oh, no worries, from Red Hat you can always expect the worse.
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Oh, no worries, from Red Hat you can always expect the worse.
It is not true. RHEL is stable, reliable platform and now release 7 comes with nice features as well as finally they have recent packages, like Python 2.7.5, Apache httpd 2.4, Tomcat 7, dropped MySQL on favour of MariaDB, etc. In corporate environment usually RHEL is the only accepted LINUX platform. We are using 6.x without any issues, except, except lack of recent packages, see above. But with 7 it is gone.
CentOS now follows RHEL much faster then before as key developers are payed full time by REDHAT since January.
For me the problem now is only systemd, as setting up the system is changed and I have to relearn ho to manage the system which is wasting a time. But this is the life. Everything is changing.
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http://www.debianfork.org/ (http://www.debianfork.org/)
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I think systemd is OK for big distros but it is too big in itself for using on light weight distros such as this (& others that I use/like), hopefully sense will prevail, & we will not lose the unix philosophy of small programs integrating to create a system.
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I think systemd is OK for big distros but it is too big in itself for using on light weight distros such as this (& others that I use/like), hopefully sense will prevail, & we will not lose the unix philosophy of small programs integrating to create a system.
It is not about size.
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I think systemd is OK for big distros but it is too big in itself for using on light weight distros such as this (& others that I use/like), hopefully sense will prevail, & we will not lose the unix philosophy of small programs integrating to create a system.
It is not about size.
From what I understand, from the discussions that I have read, it is the intention that it will be a monolithic booting device, with userland programs depending on parts of it. That I do not like.
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From what I understand
From what you've misunderstood.
from the discussions that I have read
Have you ever considered reading manual for the software or, better yet, it's configuration files and source code instead of rants of some pathetic trolls over the Internet? Seriously, with widespread availability of virtualization solution and with all the major distribution switched to systemd it actually takes couple of minutes to get your hand on a full-fledged system booted and managed via systemd. All that and excellent documentation, hell even video tutorials available! - makes me think that it takes considerable efforts to stay ignorant.
it is the intention that it will be a monolithic booting device, with userland programs depending on parts of it. That I do not like.
I've heard they have discounts on tinfoil hats this months - you should rush to get one. Hopefully it will shield you from evil conspiracy of "monolithic booting device" which in reality of sane people actually consists of dozens of modules with well-documented stable interfaces which are btw actively used by developers of various GNU/Linux distros to provided the replacement for components as they please.
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suare: what is your point?
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are you trying to say tinycore needs more video tutorials for people like you to understand it's concepts?
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Coming back to a seven-month old thread just to troll? Seriously?
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http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page (http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page)
http://www.firenze.linux.it/2015/05/systemd/ (http://www.firenze.linux.it/2015/05/systemd/)
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suare: what is your point?
Making opinion about open source technology using internet rants instead of documentation and experimentation is equivalent of clinical retardation.