Tiny Core Linux
Tiny Core Base => TCB Q&A Forum => Topic started by: microzee on January 05, 2013, 05:46:24 PM
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seems like theres some confusion, so im currently editing this to go-over everything ive done.
okay so heres exaclty what i did: i installed tinycore to my hard drive. everytime the system shuts down or reboots, where it normally says sending processes the kill signal, the screen glitches up and i see this every time:
(http://www.upurload.com/files/3b59c7fa77adae4f2c06a704067059f0.jpg)
that has always been like that since i installed. anyways after i posted this, i got the instructions for installing xorg from linux user. so i exited to command prompt and of course i get what you see in the above picture. so instead i had to start tinycore with the boot option text. then i connected to wifi and installed the 3 packages exactly as linux user said. then i went in and removed the boot option text and then i get the previous stated error hopefully this clears up some confusion. heres another pic showing startup:
(http://www.upurload.com/files/4971d5cecbf0108d4840601d62edaab5.jpg)
my video card is MagicMedia 256XL video card by NeoMagic
my computer is sony vaio pcg-9211
i have stock everything
64mb ram, 11gb hardrive.
there is one partition with tiny core on it.
i currently do not have a swap partition
thanks ~|-micro-|~
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Hi microzee
By file browser I take it you mean file manager, see the following:
http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,11024.msg57808.html#msg57808
http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,14235.msg80131.html#msg80131
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Hi microzee
Currently getFlash11.tcz seems to be broken, it's been reported here:
http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,14592.msg82785.html#msg82785
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There has been an issue downloading GetFlash11.tcz from the Apps Browser for several days now and hopefully it will get resolved soon. This issue shouldn't conflict with download GetFlash.scm from the Scm Apps since these two browsers (Apps Browser and Scm Apps) are totally different. If you are downloading GetFlash11.tcz from the Apps Browser, make sure you set it as OnBoot. So then every time you boot up your system flash is already installed. Now your laptop has the MagicMedia 256XL video card by NeoMagic, so the video drivers you'll need is "xf86-video-neomagic.tcz" to be installed first before you try installing Xorg. You'll need to go into console by pressing "CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE" and type tce-load -wi xf86-video-neomagic.tcz. This command will download the drivers from the distro and install it as OnBoot. Then after your video card is installed you should download and install Xorg by typing tce-load -wi Xorg-7.5.tcz and also tce-load -wi graphics-3.0.21-tinycore.tcz since Xorg needs this as well. Hopefully this is how you do it since its been awhile for me and hopefully someone will help you further and correct any mistakes i have made on this post before you start this. Another thing, i would of used a flash drive to install TinyCore, not sure if you installed it on your harddrive, but it would be so much easier to keep this OS on just a 2-4GB flash drive so incase you make any mistakes you can just format it and start over.
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mp3 files and other similar data do not belong into /home but should be stored anywhere on a mounted partition (you could symlink them to home though, if you must).
The boot codes you mention are advanced options for advanced users who know exactly what they are doing and why they are doing it.
Preferably stick with default backup for persistence.
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Hi microzee
edit: dont i need to remove xvesa from the onboot.lst?
Your /home/tc/.xsession file will run xorg instead of xvesa, so it doesn't matter.
and cant i do the commands using the "apps" app and just make sure there all onboot?
You can't install xorg while xvesa is running, they will conflict with each other. That's why you have to switch to
the console for this.
opt=sda1 home=sda1
If you do that, be sure to remove all references to opt and home in your /opt/.filetool.lst file.
or is it possible/should i make the whole hard drive persistent?
It's possible, but non-standard for Tinycore, and you won't get much support.
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Use the "text" bootcode.
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Hi microzee
Boot the CD. When you see the screen with the F2, F3, F4 message, enter:
tc base norestoreThat should get you back to a desktop.
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mp3 files and other similar data do not belong into /home but should be stored anywhere on a mounted partition
so your saying partition my drive (11GB) leaving a small part for tinycore, and the other part for data? and then if i want permanent apps install them to the new partition?
No need for partitioning, you can just make a dedicated data directory on existing partition.
Looking at the specs of your machine, to run all those heavyweight apps you intend to, I'd also recommend you make a swapfile.
How much RAM do you have at current?
Please post output of:
"grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo"
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i currently only have the stock 64mb ram, was thinking about buying 2 128mb sticks. anyways ill post output when i get a chance. also how would i go about creating a dedicated data directory? im guessing theres something in the wiki :P and i only have one 11GB partition that contains tinycore.
Okay i was able to get in using the tc base norestore boot options on the live cd, and i removed the text option from the hard drives extlinux.conf. it still doesnt boot and gives me:
Failed in waitforx
and then im in command prompt.
from doing a bit of googling i came across this:
http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=11769.0
and
http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=13201.0
not sure if that helps, didn't really understand except maybe i installed in wrong order or something??
should i maybe:
Remove Xserver from .filetool.lst
remove Xvesa.tcz from onboot.lst
i went through the Xorg.0.log and found 2 errors:
Failed to load neomagic_drv.so
Failed to load module neomagic
screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
fatal server error:
no screens found
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Afraid to say that trying to run whatever apps you have mentioned so far (a file manager excepted) with 64MB sounds like sheer madness to me.
Instead of trying to fatten your system, you should closely observe memory usage - I'd suggest installing watcher and/or htop - to prevent an "Out Of Memory" condition and start with apps as light as possible.
Running Xvesa should be possible but consumes a big proportion of precious available RAM which could be otherwise used for apps.
Either way, I'd suggest creating a swapfile of 128MB.
"mkdir /mnt/partitionname/dirname"
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Remove Xorg related entries from onboot.lst
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Xorg for what reason?
...and that's not what you said in your earlier post...
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So while you were in the desktop and tried pressing "CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE" nothing happened. Okay, so try "CTRL+ALT+F1" and if F1 doesn't work, then try F2 with the CTRL+ALT combination. That should get you into console from the desktop. Apparently Xorg is not recognizing your video card drivers. So when you typed in that command with "xf86-video-neomagic.tcz", what were the results? Yes, i think tinypoodle is correct on the swap file, it may help your memory issue in a way.
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Treating people in the open source community who offer free tech support with disrespect hasn't gotten anyone very far.
And while dealing with borderline hardware limitations may actually be a challenge for some (including myself), users looking for advice being rude and ignorant are closing otherwise open doors themselves...
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If you want multiple virtual terminals ( <ALT><F1> <ALT><F2> etc ), you will need to use the multivt boot option.
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So since you have installed "xf86-video-neomagic.tcz" you have noticed these new glitches. Can you find out which video card you are running on that laptop if it isn't the Neomagic? Obviously, something isn't working right because if you have Xorg installed, you shouldn't see Xvesa in the control panel, so it should actually be faded. Something either is conflicting with the drivers or it might be a memory issue. If the video card is different try looking for the right one in that xf86-video-xxxxx.tcz category.
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Then use the 'text' boot code and troubleshoot your startx.
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seems like theres some confusion, so im currently editing this to go-over everything ive done.
okay so heres exaclty what i did: i installed tinycore to my hard drive. everytime the system shuts down or reboots, where it normally says sending processes the kill signal, the screen glitches up and i see this every time:
(http://www.upurload.com/files/3b59c7fa77adae4f2c06a704067059f0.jpg)
that has always been like that since i installed. anyways after i posted this, i got the instructions for installing xorg from linux user. so i exited to command prompt and of course i get what you see in the above picture. so instead i had to start tinycore with the boot option text. then i connected to wifi and installed the 3 packages exactly as linux user said. then i went in and removed the boot option text and then i get the previous stated error hopefully this clears up some confusion. heres another pic showing startup:
(http://www.upurload.com/files/4971d5cecbf0108d4840601d62edaab5.jpg)
my video card is MagicMedia 256XL video card by NeoMagic
my computer is sony vaio pcg-9211
i have stock everything
64mb ram, 11gb hardrive.
there is one partition with tiny core on it.
i currently do not have a swap partition
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Run startx and see what errors you get.
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okay i type in startx and it says failed in waitforx see pic in previous post..
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So start over by formatting that drive and also make sure this time you create a swap file as mentioned by tinypoodle. The only reason why you want Xorg working is due to games, correct? How is the resolution for your laptop just using Xvesa? See when you try existing out of the desktop and into the console you shouldn't get that glitch. There is already an issue with the clean install of Core Plus. Hopefully the swap file helps since you only have 64mb of ram.
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Hi microzee
I noticed a small error in the instructions provided by LinuxUser01. Xorg7.5 comes with the NeoMagic driver
built in. xf86-video-neomagic.tcz is for Xorg7.6 only.
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okay thanks guys! i will try these tomorrow, i gotta be getting to bed :P thanks again~!
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I doubt you can get Xorg running with that little RAM. Or if Xorg barely runs, games certainly won't.
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hey just a quick question, im going to be making a 500mb swap, because i will probably be upgrading my ram to 256. should it be a primary partition type 82 linux swapspace and should i write it at the beginning?
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Hi microzee
Yes, primary partition type 82. I don't really think it matters where you put it. I put mine at the end of the drive so it's
not in my way if I want to adjust other partitions.
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okay i wiped the drive and only used the core plus live cd and still got the glitch. its not even installed on the harddrive. then i tried the 12mb tinycore and when shutting down it has the glitch too.
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Hi microzee
There have been other posts on the forum stating that NeoMagic video devices can be problematic under xvesa.
Go to the search page and search for neomagic and read through some of those posts.
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There is a framebuffer fix, along with other things you can try as mentioned in this thread here, hope this helps.
http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,11769.0.html
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oh thanks ill check it out. and ignore that last post. figured everything out except xorg shows black blank screen.
okay started with a fresh installed followed ur instructions linux user for xorg execpt i installed xorg 7.6. anyways it works! but theres one problem. the mouse is not displayed on the screen..
oh and with xorg, i have no green glitch yay!
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If your system boots up and enters the desktop with no curser then you are dealing with another issue. It will keep on doing that until you resolve it, unless you don't mind going into console then startx again to get the curser back (unless that still doesn't allow you to see the curser). Have you tried that bufferframe fix yet?
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i tried framebufferfix under xorg and it works. but it didnt fix the mouse. is there some sorta app that will draw a new mouse? :) anyways any ideas what it might be??
oh found something out. i was able to download and install monitor setting for xorg. if i set it to 800x600 i can see the mouse. but thats not my screen size so i get to see like 1/4 of the screen. also booting in text mode, then typing startx theres still no mouse.
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Again could be the RAM.
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okay so everything works except i cant see the mouse (its still there) and that could be a ram issue?? anyways i tried adding xorg.conf with Option "SWCursor" "true" and get the failed in wait for x. see here: http://chakra-project.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?id=7341
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If the WM or other parts fail to start, due to lacking RAM, yes that can prevent the cursor from showing. Do you otherwise get the normal desktop? With hotkeys working?
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then shouldnt the ram show that its full? it shows 10% being used. anyways, yes i get the normal desktop and everything works. i can use hotkeys, i can download and install apps etc
anyways, heres what i put in the xorg.conf:
Section "Device"
Option "HWCursor" "false"
Option "SWCursor" "true"
EndSection
and i put it in the filestool.lst.
okay reformatted and tried Xorg-7.5.tcz and it doesnt load the desktop(black screen). so far xorg 7.6 worked the best. next im trying xorg 7.4
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I have noticed this issue before in my system and i'm running 2GB of memory, so its not entirely due to a lack of memory. Try to locate the error message causing this issue by going into Control Panel/System Stats/dmesg.
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uhm its really long. you want me to post it?
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Hi microzee
If it's really long, attach it as a file.
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Use a site like pastebin.com and paste the link here.
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here it is, wouldnt let me paste in the browser so had to attach it. got on my other computer, and added it to pastebin:
http://pastebin.com/AWBvkaVA
noticed this
Broken BIOS detected, complain to your hardware vendor.
LOL
anyways went through and looked at the whole thing, nothing to me seems that unusual..
added xorg log
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Hey a little update. i uninstalled xf86-video-neomagic.tcz and installed xf86-video-all.tcz. i now can see the mouse cursor but the screen looks like this:
(http://www.upurload.com/files/78cd06885d2315195a2e8fa5c7ccd6e7.jpg)
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Installing xf86-video-all.tcz pretty much installs all of the video drivers including your Neomagic. You are still running Xorg7.6, correct? So your screen resolution is where it should be at and your curser is there, but the color is way off.
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Well, I've seen a green background display recently, resolved that with a fresh download of Xorg. the old copy was corrupted despite an "Ok" md5 check
hope that helps