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Get APPS with no internet on TC laptop? Load APS on boot from auto-mounted USB?
grandma:
Note: ORIGINAL posts were long and later "JUICED"/squeeze for key info of each page.
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UPDATED - jwm fixed a lot of the bugs I was chasing - very nice
Note: ORIGINAL posts were long and later "JUICED"/squeeze for key info of each page.
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Statement of problem: a user has a Windows system wants to begin using Linux, but is unable to boot from USB, making all the Netbootin/Live Linux/Pen Drive utilities and solutions useless, and they can't burn a CD and don't want to "buy" anything, or pay for online utilities, virtual boxes or anything else.
They want a simple, fast method that can be installed or uninstalled easily without damaging their Windows system.
Best solution (only one that I have found at the forum thus far)
3 files are required:
1. thelitecore.iso - available from svolli.org - google Tiny Core and Svolli or browse these forums - also a link in #3 below.
2. ISODISK to read the ISO - also a link in #3 below
3. A simple DOS bat file that installs Tiny Core in about 3 seconds and will uninstall it and cleans up afterward, without changing the Windows system in any way. You can get TCSETUP.BAT (open source by its nature) at www.eduhosting.org/?linux
TCSETUP.BAT was designed as a "one click" system that fetches the files and once you have everything downloaded, installs Tiny Core on a Windows 2000, XP, Vista or Windows 7 system in about 3 seconds and uninstalls as well. By its nature its open source.
Once installed you can easily set up your own Tiny Core Linux System on an EXT2 partition etc.
Note: does not work on compressed C: drives.
Other topics below relate to questions on what else can be added and how backups are done and may be available in other posts.
REVISITED after 4 months.
I tried TC - tried the Svolli version - and the newer TC that reads NTFS - but requires "adjustments to read and write".
In the end I have stuck with Svolli's version until I can get the latest TC release to read and write NTFS smoothly on boot - -pretty sure it can - not sure how to do that yet.
What I did find out tonight - after months of chasing bugs - is that flwm is absolutely NOT something I'd bundle with TC. As soon as I switched to JWM a bunch of problems disappeared.
Heads up.
I'd list the bugs but most of you folks have probably already switched. I know a few who have not - but JWM seems to run faster, graphics are far better, no "blue screens of death" - i.e. closing editor left the powder blue footprint behind with flwm - seems resolved / fixed with jwm - and just overall a much better package - and seems to run faster - not sure why but the fan in my laptop really screams when I run jwm - and aps seem to load fast, smooth, reliably while aps started in flwm often never loaded...not sure why.
You'd type editor filename and it would either bounce back to a prompt - no editor - or sit there in limbo as if it had started and you'd have to go kill the job with a new terminal session.
I think a lot of the problems I hacked through during the first few months were flwm originated...very frustrating...sorry if I caused ya'all grief...I spent so much time chasing ghosts I probably could have learned a lot of this a little faster and saved some time.
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Statement of problem: a user has a Windows system wants to begin using Linux, but is unable to boot from USB, making all the Netbootin/Live Linux/Pen Drive utilities and solutions useless, and they can't burn a CD and don't want to "buy" anything, or pay for online utilities, virtual boxes or anything else.
They want a simple, fast method that can be installed or uninstalled easily without damaging their Windows system.
Best solution (only one that I have found at the forum thus far)
3 files are required:
1. thelitecore.iso - available from svolli.org - google Tiny Core and Svolli or browse these forums - also a link in #3 below.
2. ISODISK to read the ISO - also a link in #3 below
3. A simple DOS bat file that installs Tiny Core in about 3 seconds and will uninstall it and cleans up afterward, without changing the Windows system in any way. You can get TCSETUP.BAT (open source by its nature) at www.eduhosting.org/?linux
TCSETUP.BAT was designed as a "one click" system that fetches the files and once you have everything downloaded, installs Tiny Core on a Windows 2000, XP, Vista or Windows 7 system in about 3 seconds and uninstalls as well. By its nature its open source.
Once installed you can easily set up your own Tiny Core Linux System on an EXT2 partition etc.
Note: does not work on compressed C: drives.
Other topics below relate to questions on what else can be added and how backups are done and may be available in other posts.
Juanito:
--- Quote from: grandma on April 09, 2011, 12:21:44 AM ---and (ahem) - where do I get the tcz or gz util/grub etc. files with a W2K click?
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You can use a url of the form:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/tinycorelinux/3.x/tcz/perl5.tcz
..just substitute perl5.tcz with the extension you need
Lee:
Once you've got your USB stick bootable with TinyCore or MicroCore, you're almost done.
Create a directory called tce in the top level of the USB stick and a directory called optional inside of that.
Then you can download extensions ( *.tcz ) into tce/optional/ and create a text file called tce/onboot.lst listing the extensions you want loaded on boot (one per line). You don't have to list dependencies in onboot.lst - that's what the .dep files are for.
The extensions ( *.tcz ) can be found in the repository at http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/3.x/tcz/ but you'll have to type in the name of the extension at the end of the URL. for each extension, You'll need the .tcz file, the .tcz.md5 file and the .tcz.dep file (if any). I always grab the .tcz.list and .tcz.info files as well, just for reference. So, for instance, for the killerapplication extension, you would download
http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/3.x/tcz/killerapplication.tcz
http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/3.x/tcz/killerapplication.tcz.md5
http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/3.x/tcz/killerapplication.tcz.dep
and optionally
http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/3.x/tcz/killerapplication.tcz.list
http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/3.x/tcz/killerapplication.tcz.info
all into tce/optional/
Now for the "tcedious" part - do the same for any dependencies listed in killerapplication.tcz.dep and in -their- .dep files recursively. TC's appbrowser handles the dependencies automatically so the big hint is:
Only manually download the files you need to boot and get TC connected to the extension repo. Then use appbrowser to get whatever else you want.
If you can't get the laptop talking to the internet, can you get some other machine (that -can- talk to the internet) and boot it from your TC USB stick? Then use appbrowser to handle the extension downloads?
grandma:
Thank you for the Perl link - that will help.
Lee:
Let's continue this discussion - and the one form the TCB Bugs area ( http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=9194.msg50194 ) - over on "General TC Talk" as it doesn't seem to be specific to "MicroCore & Core Elements" or "TCB Bugs". Rather than copy and paste a lot of text from here to there, let me just throw out a somewhat related tidbit that's been on my mind lately...
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