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XLibre - a fork of Xorg
nick65go:
For future TC17, the stop of Xorg development/patches maybe will force use of Xlibre :P to avoid Xorg "vulnerabilities" which A.I. will discover. This will be a challenge (I guess) because many applications in TC were focused to run Xvesa/Xfbdev/Xorg for smaller size storage/RAM gain. But Xlibre is not yet large tested (is work in progress) and corporate money will push Wayland development and the crowd of developers will develop for future wayland type apps (firefox, libreoffice, mpv, KDE).
Compatibility with (very) old structure could have the fate that DSL / Slax distro suffered.
Juanito:
I wonder if it might make sense to keep Xvesa and Xfbdev, but drop the rest of x11 in favour of wayland.
With flwm-1.4 and labwc the tinycore flwm gui applets seems to work well in CorePure64.
Vaguiner:
--- Quote from: Juanito on August 02, 2025, 04:49:03 AM ---...wayland.
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It looks promising. Without an NVIDIA graphics card, Wayland has become easier on TinyCore.
However, I find all the dependencies that are loaded hellish, not to mention being forced to load everything related to Xorg, when I could have a Wayland environment without Xorg. I think the Wayland-related packages could be restructured.
nick65go:
Wayland without Xwayland (an extra layer to run X11 apps) is just a dream for now, because many applications still ask for X11 (ex: gnumeric). The difference between Xorg and X11 is that Xorg asks for all X11 dependencies PLUS its drivers (xf86* input/video) + its video firmware(<5-10MB). And some Xorg drivers (AMD/Nvidia) pull big size files (+ LLVM libs of 20-30MB).
Ex: if you just want a small distro (tinycore?) with only Firefox, then bad luck; it drags GTK3+deps, all X11 + video firmware + ffmpeg (for decode acceleration). Oh boy, the diff between TC/ AplineLinux and other (relative bloated) distro then becomes smaller and smaller; and if you then want some libreOffice or libreCAD or graphics/audio editing software then is game over.
Juanito:
Wayland-only test versions were made for aarch64 and x86_64, see http://tinycorelinux.net/15w.x/
Anything that used gtk3 or gtk4 should work without any x11 libs, but I seem to recall that one or two apps had direct deps rather than via gtk3/4.
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