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linic:
--- Quote ---Time is extremely precious for some of us. Money is not so preciously
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There's a direct relationship between time and money for me. The more money I use, the more time I'll have to put in to repay it. So I need to use money wisely.
--- Quote ---use win11 OS
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Windows is only worth it if it saves me more time and/or improves the quality of my time enough.
Also, even if Windows would be worth it for now, I have no guarantee that it will be in the future. Microsoft puts the shareholders first because that's what companies owned by shareholders do. "Entrench the users, make it impossible for them to live without your product and market your product in a way to get a stable evergrowing source of money" is the dream of many shareholders.
For all that, I would say, using Windows is ok if it makes life easier and more profitable for the user, but the user should always keep a contingency plan just in case because we never know what the board of a company owned by shareholders can do in 5 or 10 years. I think many shareholders would be happy with Windows 11 being the last Microsoft OS which can be "owned" and making Windows 12 a service for which users pay a monthly subscription.
nick65go:
--- Quote from: CardealRusso on December 05, 2023, 10:45:21 AM ---It seems like completely different scenarios to me.
I don't understand how using Windows, paying $200+tax and being forced to swallow all of Microsoft's spyware and backdoors just to be able to emulate Linux compares to a 50kb library.
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Yes, it is a different scenario. Time vs. money! I prefer time at (almost) every (reasonable) cost. My time is limited on this planet.Without false modesty, for me $200/8_years (=25$/year, aka $0.07/day) is nothing. Y.M.M.V. I thing a beggar "earns" more $/day from donations.
I had to make a choice about a full functioning hardware. Every new PC that I tried had a firmware bug in my (bad) choice of hardware (Dell & HP) when using linux, [but was OK in windows10]: bad power management, few Fn-key not working, nothing critical /life changing, but annoying however.
In the country where I live, I had no choose for something better for the same money [~780 euro/PC, Intel Core 13 generation (12 threads), 32 GB RAM, 512 GB SSD, 17 inch Display, win11 + Office2021, etc]. Of course I could install Linux (dual boot) and use only Linux. Maybe I will do it. It is no rush, I know he drill.
But in my spare time I have not yet the need for more tools/programs. Plus I have no private documents on the laptop [they can spy my ass as leisure]. In the mean time I play with Archlinux, Alpine linux, openSUSE, Wayland, x86-64_v3, etc.
nick65go:
--- Quote --- author=linic link=topic=26597.msg171463#msg171463 date=1701793881
There's a direct relationship between time and money for me. The more money I use, the more time I'll have to put in to repay it. So I need to use money wisely.
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Without intention be pedantic, please allow me to clarify: value of money is NOT LINEAR with the time. it is named compound/ exponential grow. The time is more precious, I would say is invaluable. BTW, how much is you life value? Is not morbid question, is how capitalist social insurance companies evaluate their risk, even the human life...
1. $100 with 5% interest (and 5.01% inflation) is $105 after 1 year in NOMINAL terms, but still "less" than $100 in REAL term money (aka will by the same number of apples with cost inflated by 5.01%).
2. with 10%/year interest, you will "double" your money in 7 years, not in 10 years. Human brain likes to think linearly.
3. with 2% "normal" inflation, the governments will "hidden"/silent steal your wealth in 35 years, not in 50 years.
etc, I think you understand the drill.
4. the happiness is an asymptotic shape curve. After a threshold, the more money will buy you less happiness.
5. Money is infinite (digits on screen) from virtual bank asses. Human time is finite, often less than we think it is.
So if/when I have "enough" money, I prefer to (wisely) spend it to buy back my time. A rich men in the tomb is not an option for me.
linic:
--- Quote ---So if/when I have "enough" money, I prefer to (wisely) spend it to buy back my time. A rich men in the tomb is not an option for me.
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I fully agree :)
--- Quote ---how much is you life value?
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I don't think a life can be valued with money. I understand why insurance company do it. They use statistics to offer coverage and make a margin without risking bankruptcy. That price only makes sense within that context.
--- Quote ---1. $100 with 5% interest (and 5.01% inflation) is $105 after 1 year in NOMINAL terms, but still "less" than $100 in REAL term money (aka will by the same number of apples with cost inflated by 5.01%).
2. with 10%/year interest, you will "double" your money in 7 years, not in 10 years.
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Aww, I wish I had more money than debt and a way to get 10% interest. :) There's no real stable 10% interest in my pocket. There's always someone in the middle taking some of that interest away.
--- Quote ---4. the happiness is an asymptotic shape curve. After a threshold, the more money will buy you less happiness.
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For me, money buys safety. People close to me and the time I spend with them brings me happiness.
--- Quote ---5. Money is infinite (digits on screen) from virtual bank asses.
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My money is finite. It grows as I get paid. I see the bank has infinite money though. I would sure love to be a bank. :)
--- Quote ---Human time is finite, often less than we think it is.
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I fully agree with you here!
I agree though that 200$+TX is a small price to pay if it saves more time than what it took to gain this amount and/or if it improves the quality of your time. In your case, I see it does.
To use W11, one needs to change the whole PC because backward compatibility has been dropped. None of my computers can run W11. It doesn't make sense for me to throw away something that works perfectly with another OS. I understand backward compatibility may cost money and Microsoft doesn't want to spend that money though. It's not like Microsoft is on the brinks of bankruptcy so it could have chosen to keep the backward, but it prefers to optimize profits for shareholders.
But hey, Microsoft has me covered with this new subscription https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/5/23988896/microsoft-windows-10-extended-security-updates-consumers-paid I could use W10 for longer... :P
Fortunately, Windows doesn't bring me happiness nor does it save me time anymore.
nick65go:
@linic: Thank you that you take your time to replay in details. Really nice from you.
I do not buy cheap, I invest in things that have lowest TOC (total ownership cost) for 5-8 years. I never gave up on a "good" working device.
My former laptop could "normally" run just up to win10 , but I manage to run win 11 on it. I (temporary) "retire" it because fan became very noisy after 7 years, even with changing fan, CPU cooling pasta, etc. Sometime DYI (do it yourself) just because you can, it is NOT worthy. It pays to "externalize" the service.
I never paid "explicitly" for any software in my life. In the past ... I just crack it, or run in VM.
Oh, I hate Windows and all that Biil Gate & his crowd did against other software. But.. Sun Tzu's Military the art of war: keep friend close and enemy even closer.
(if you want peace, prepare for the war, etc). But I exploit windows, like employers exploit the brain and time of their workers.
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