new user: filetool & tce/tcz questions [split from Re: .xfiletool.lst]

[stupida]

hello to start things off...

my computer is:

SPECS:
Processor=Pentium 3
Memory=64MB (very old PC100 cant find anymore parts)
Others= the regular type of things LAN,cdrom,etc.
   (no internet access)
About the user: not much off a hardware guy, but willing to
      tinker around

BACKGROUND:
Been using windows since windows95,98B,2000SP4(my fave)
had a taste of XP but never did like it because of my
memory(used to have 128).. always had the blue screen
that is why i sticked to 2000SP4..

but now my one off my 64MB died on me, now my 2000 is so slow
especially when i load a firefox very iritating..
thats when i had it!!!!!

until now..

PAST FEW MONTHS:
since i heard about the word STABLE in linux, been dying
to try it.. and it didnt failed my expectation

first off i researched to find the linux suitable for me
(with all the linux dist. out there) and a bit curious about debian.
but through my reading its for advanced linux users.. and needed the internet
to install desktop and a bit out
of my league..needed to know more about linux, so baby-steps

next to Corel Linux, hehehe just a bit old and curious about it..

next to slackware, downloaded it but cant install because i got
the DVD.iso, wanted the CD.iso but too many hehehe (so slackware is out)

NOTE: but still very interested, just need to get a new comp. with DVD

next to Vectorlinux, to cut things short LOVED it!!!
but its too slow for my memory (i guess, maybe its my settings)

NOW:
and now heard about the LIVE CD, and im beginning to be addicted by it.
so i researched again..

NOTE: what im looking for is an alternative from windows
   winamp, microsoft word, microsoft excel, movie player, and a wallpaper(just to spice things up hehehe)

[FAST TRACKING]

SLAX=slow loading for my computer (but looks promising).

Damn Small Linux= good, just cant understand though why i can mount, only
      my sda1 can something about fs.

Deli Linux=very fast but only for word documents no multimedia or anything for my music or movies.
slitaz=downloaded it, but never have the chance to use it.. while loading it hangs
luit linux= haha almost what im looking for word,xmms but no mplayer

then comes you..

PRESENT:
may i just say Tiny Core is so PERFECT!!!! (im calling out to all 64RAMS this is the one,its so perfect!!!!)
xmms player=Perfect, and dont get me started with mplayer-nodep its fu***ng unbelievable(unlike in windows i
   had to download some codecs, i know i still need it but damn just installing mplayer-nodeps just made my day)

NOW:
i guess this is the part what you are waiting for, just a stupid little problem that i cant seem to understand(without even the basic knowledge of coding)

i install all the programs and extension in the appbrowser in a local install.
because i dont have intenet access, so i go to a local internet cafe and i download programs in a FTP site.

already try installing xmms,mplayer-nodeps,beaver,emelfm,having trouble with gnumeric and open office(thats not my concern)
now, i know when i restart TC it will all be gone
then i read that i can edit the /opt/.filetool.lst and also in the tools theres a button to do it automatically..
ive already done it with my background image by panel>tools>add to filetool (now i have wallpaper so thats 1/5 of what im looking for)

PROBLEMS:

NOTE: keep in mind i didnt install it on hdd im still running in LIVE CD, and just backing it up with USB

1.now my problem is how to save my extensions, like glib1, gtk1, pixman, etc... i cant understand the saving issues neither the coding..
   tried google but it has a limited answer
   
   here is my code:

opt/bootlocal.sh
opt/.tcrc
opt/.backgrounds/
opt/.filetool.lst
opt/.xfiletool.lst
opt/.backgrounds/simpsons421024x768.jpg
home/tc
home/tc/.beaver/AccelRC      ->this is what i added, just to show how lame i am
home/tc/.beaver/General      ->this is what i added, just to show how lame i am
home/tc/.beaver/wordfile.txt   ->this is what i added, just to show how lame i am

   at this time i was experimenting if i could save the program, file but cant
   hope, you have a super newbie.pdf on how to save in .filetool.lst

2.what is the difference between TCE and TCZ i also cant understand which is much better (just so you know i always download TCZ,
   because ive read that its ideal for low RAM users)

well thats all for now....

hope some one could help me... all of my friends are window users so i have no one to ask these things

please bear in mind this is my very first linux forum....

and

i just started with Tiny Core last 24days and still counting..

sorry for the very long story just wanted someone to know what ive been through.....

thanks and more power!!!!!!!

[danielibarnes]

1.now my problem is how to save my extensions, like glib1, gtk1, pixman, etc...

2.what is the difference between TCE and TCZ i also cant understand which is much better (just so you know i always download TCZ,   because ive read that its ideal for low RAM users)

Check out the wiki. It is a useful resource for new users.
1) Create a "tce" directory on your hard drive or usb drive. For example, if you have a usb stick, you will need to do:

mount /mnt/sda1
mkdir /mnt/sda1/tce

Then copy all of your TCZ files into the /mnt/sda1/tce directory. If you are using an IDE HDD, you need to substitute sda1 with hda1.

2) Yes, in your situation, TCZ is best. I had a P5-233 w/64MB and it ran TC nicely.

[stupida]

hey thanks for the quick response!!!!

i really appreciate it, after your post i tried it and downloaded TCZ extensions that i needed....

my next step is the ones i read that when you reboot, your TCZ will be automatically be installed again (need to research on that)

and another thing im using tiny ver.1 but can i use the extensions in ver. 2 like abiword can i install it in version 1?

thanks again for your response, and more power!!!!

[curaga]

No, you can't install extensions designed for TC 2.x in TC 1.x.

[stupida]

fu#$%ng hell yeah!!!!!!!

i got it..........you wouldn't believe how i felt when i saw that my TCZ were loading,
and the funny thing about it, while i was doing the tweaking at 3 in the morning
its my birthday!!!!!!!!!!

danielibarnes advised worked, what you were saying was perfect (hda1, worked for me)

it was fu#$%ing beautiful!!!!!!!!!!

thank you so much!!!!

<No, you can't install extensions designed for TC 2.x in TC 1.x.>

-> really i cant load with version 2, guess, ill just get TC2 just for the sake of abiword!!!!
(but in a while, im still having fun with this version, i cant take away my grin hehe.. im so happy)

its completely perfect 5/5:

1- winamp = xmms
2- movie player=mplayer-nodep (which i cant get enough off)
3- microsoft word=abiword (which ill just try in version 2)
4- microsoft excel=gnumeric(haven't installed it yet)
5- wallpaper (just to add fun)

hehehehe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

question though:

1- i just tried out SLAX (with another comp. P2-celeron 256mb-RAM) and its nice.. the problem is when i tried the mplayer
   its sluggish, choppy.. but when i load Tiny Core-mplayer-nodep or even MPlayer-svn-gtk1, there's no problem?
(maybe its my video card or something) just wondering why not criticizing

2- one stupid question
   how to toggle workspace you know like, ctrl+alt+F1 or ctrl+alt+arrow key something like that?

3- do i need to download umount command, and if so what the name of its package?

sorry if my questions are so lame......

anyway thank you guys so much for your reply's, its very much appreciated!!!!!!!!!

[curaga]

1- i just tried out SLAX (with another comp. P2-celeron 256mb-RAM) and its nice.. the problem is when i tried the mplayer
   its sluggish, choppy.. but when i load Tiny Core-mplayer-nodep or even MPlayer-svn-gtk1, there's no problem?
(maybe its my video card or something) just wondering why not criticizing

Different builds, different methods. Slax runs from compressed files, and uses ram so that 256mb is getting tight for it.

2- one stupid question
   how to toggle workspace you know like, ctrl+alt+F1 or ctrl+alt+arrow key something like that?

alt-number (alt-2 for example for desktop 2). It's completely customizable, and you can define keys for next- and previous desktop too (.jwmrc-keys)

umount is included in the base.

[jls]

I really suggest u a PPI installation, it's a lot faster compared to PPR

[stupida]

really guys thank you so much, you really accommodate new user!!!!

PPI -> ill give it a try

mplayer-nodep -> for a 64mb it REALLY KICK'S ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                             what more if i have a quad+++++ of processor and a tera++++ of memory
                             that would be really SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

more power to you guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stupida]

hello,

 i need some help finding a link in the forum its about how to code with #!/bin/sh or something like that.... sorry thats all that i can remember, i wrote it down in the notepad but got overwritten with a file.... this site is dedicated in teaching making programs... oh and i remember #!/bin/sh and a code that said hello

sorry if it would take up your time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

more power to all you guys and really thank you so much!!!!!!!!!!

just let you know im having fun with Tiny Core been tinkering with the .jwmrc files hehehe (its really fun)

[robc]

You may find it useful to do a search on linux shell scripting or bash scripting. There are many tutorials and guides that can help you.

The #!/bin/sh is also called the shebang, which is a reference to which shell to use. In this case (and most in TC) /bin/sh is used which is a symlink to busybox's ash shell. After the shebang you can use regular commands that are found on your linux box (i.e echo, cat, ...) and loops/conditionals

[stupida]

thank you, so much!!!!!

will really do that, i just didnt know what it was called and what those scripts were!!!!!!!!!

more power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[curaga]

Advanced Bash Scripting Guide

http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/


Not everything in there works with ash, but most things are the same.

[stupida]

hey,
just found what i was talking about

http://www.linuxcommand.org/

has anyone used this, is this also good for a super newbie like me?

thanks for the links and the searches now i know what i need to learn!!!!!!!!!!

just one thing,

i use the tce=sda1 so, tell me if the ghost folders (or hidden folders) in my USB device is a symlink or something like that, hehe because funny thing whenever i go to an internet cafe their virus scan pops up hehehe    and whenever i save folders for tiny core and plug it in a vista computer.... and active=>show hidden files button

there it is hidden folders....

im not worried or anything, just wanted to know if there's a connection....if the cafe shop recognizes the hidden folders as a virus or really my usb has a virus... hehe

more power to you guys as always!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shit loads of fun that im having, even though its just amateur stuff hehehehe...............

thanks guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[curaga]

It's possible that your usb stick actually has a Windows virus with TC being unaffected, of course.

The tce folder shouldn't show up as hidden, but it doesn't matter to linux if it is.

[stupida]

hehehe  thanks guess ill have to clean that stick-up, yup thats also why im confident with TC hehehehe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and also thanks for the link, just scanned through it havent got a chance to study it.....
im using a prepaid 3g-usb modem, so my internet is very limited so maybe ill copy and paste it once in a while hehehe and found a forum here using the 3g in tiny core, interesting will do it when i have the time...............


also could i put this ->
<Restart label="Restart Window Manager"/>

in jwm-keys i just dont know what to execute with
i did it with exec:wbar.sh and put it in a F11 key
been scanning what command to put in

more power to all you guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!