Add TC-Install gui to future base TC?

[PDP-8]

I wonder if anyone has considered adding the TC-Install gui to the downloadable TC iso's as standard, even if it costs a minute amount of larger iso size, rather than making it a downloadable utility?

I'm not sure of the wisdom of doing so or what the implications are.

I do know that it would be a very big pointer to newcomers using alternate burning methods, and not realizing that what they are using is essentially a CD type of operation without persistence - to use the utility to get a fully functional/persistent installation with known features so we are all on the same page when it comes to support.

Sure, it can be done by those who know, but these days a lot of ops may have never used a CD or other live-boot demo without understanding the implications of no automatic persistence in a read-only environment.

And, the ability to recreate itself without any online connectivity or other special tools might come in handy as the "stranded on a desert island" backup for making more.

I'm just thinking of a 2-step response:
1) Great, you've gotten TC to boot somehow by hook or crook.
2) Now use *itself* to burn another stick to handle persistence properly.

Of course advanced users don't need this hand-holding, but I would have no objection to the tc-install-gui being part of the base downloadble iso's.

Again, the wisdom of doing so may be beyond me.

[Rich]

Hi PDP-8
I'm pretty sure the  CorePlus  ISO includes  tc-install-GUI.tcz.

[PDP-8]

It sure does and excels at that, including wholesale remastering - provided one has the knowledge to do so.

I just think a lot of people download the namesake, TC which is much smaller, or even 64 bit TC, attracted to the ultra-tiny download, and hit the forums when it doesn't provide persistence.

Part of the learning process I guess.  Make it easy using the in-house tools, or do your own thing as long as you know how, or have done homework first.

Heh, it's not just TC.  Even distros that provide in-house tools as part of the downloadable iso, have issues with users not making use of them and becoming entangled and having to hit the docs.

[Rich]

Hi PDP-8

... I just think a lot of people download the namesake, TC which is much smaller, or even 64 bit TC, attracted to the ultra-tiny download, and hit the forums when it doesn't provide persistence. ...

And that might be the reason it's included in CorePlus. CorePlus is already large due to wireless support. In addition, one
of  tc-installs  largest dependencies, perl5 (15 Mb) is already included because of ndiswrapper.

[curaga]

Yeah, the description for CorePlus specifically says it includes the installer.

[jazzbiker]

becoming entangled and having to hit the docs.

Oh, yeah! Reading the docs in case You are entangled is the right way. What can be better? Only reading the best docs and happily TinyCore has such - Corebook.pdf. I vote for incorporating Corebook.pdf along with mupdf.tcz into the CorePlus.iso and if it is possible, assigning it the own icon.

I'm not joking, if someone booted TinyCore for the first time and will have this wonder-book in front of his eyes, i expect the chances to be inspired will grow dramatically.

People are saying that nobody wants to read now, but maybe this occurs because of lack of the good books? Corebook is wonderful, inspiring and fascinating and in the same time comprehensive and not overloaded. Just inherited all TinyCore features. Though it is clear an understandable for newbies, it can be useful to answer difficult questions too.

Guys, I really propose to include Corebook.pdf in the CorePlus.iso. What are You thinking about such a proposal?

[PDP-8]

Interesting idea, but maybe make the book a downloadable tcz instead for those of us who already have it (ebook or dead-tree).  Maybe a readme or some other link in the home directory pointing to it.

Just having it on the download iso doesn't mean it will be read either.

I mean, 4gb of Knoppix has a single desktop icon for it, but questions about persistence are common after a decade of explanation and those that *still* insist on installing to an HD, even though not recommended.

Slitaz with tazusb / writefs in-house utils, along with documentation and the Midori browser right there:  questions about persistence common.

AntiX - dillo and html documentation onboard.  Amazing user and rootfs flexibility - yet I'll bet many don't really make use of it and just install and run to HD with defaults.

Dunno - part of TC's attraction is that it isn't just another one-click distro, but something that makes you *want* to read and learn more about to adapt to your own requirements.

[jazzbiker]

Hi, PDP-8!

I proposed to include it directly as the data, not as the link, because sometimes network access is not available, but even in this trouble the user will have the guide to solve the problems, guide on installation (chapter 2) and a lot of toys explained how to play with.

[jazzbiker]

The more I think about Corebook.pdf availability for beginners in CorePlus, the more I wonder that it isn't done yet. I recall my first TinyCore boots, then install attempts. And I want to say, that Corebook.pdf was probably the very first download done on the freshly installed and functional TinyCore. And later till now if I don't have it in pdf directory, I feel like my fuel tank is almost empty and I have no idea were is the closest gas station

Sorry for off-topic, PDP-8, it was sudden idea, maybe it will be better to start another topic.