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Please update Docu on "Modes of Operation"
« on: January 31, 2010, 04:47:59 PM »
The central web page, under the heading "Core concepts"
newbielink:http://www.tinycorelinux.com/concepts.html [nonactive]
still speaks about four modes of operation.
but the 2nd was apparently abolished in TC 2.7.
("Everyone should take the time to read this document ")

The same is true for the imformation page that appears when pressing
HELP in the cpanel. (at least for version TC 2.7).

(Yes, I know this is written under "News" on the "welcome" page,
but when you first get there, you don't usually have the knowledge to
appreciate that stuff. I was really banging my head off to find
out why the Appbrowser only offered me the "Install" method but
not the RAM-saving "mount" method. Was it something with wrong
permissions? some missing boot code? something with the ext4 file
system on my new (otherwise) ubuntu machine?
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Re: Please update Docu on "Modes of Operation"
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2010, 02:08:00 AM »
True. The mode however, or install to filesystem, is still available, but with the same tcz extensions.

The included help file was removed in 2.9rc1.
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Re: Please update Docu on "Modes of Operation"
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2010, 12:35:49 PM »
With all the recent structual changes to Tiny Core, Core Concepts has indeed needed an update.
I have updated Core Concepts: http://www.tinycorelinux.com/concepts.html

Please help by reporting errors and omisions.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2010, 12:37:57 PM by roberts »
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Re: Please update Docu on "Modes of Operation"
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2010, 04:40:59 AM »
With all the recent structual changes to Tiny Core, Core Concepts has indeed needed an update.
I have updated Core Concepts: http://www.tinycorelinux.com/concepts.html

Please help by reporting errors and omisions.
As this is likely to be one of the documents most helpful to new TC users I would like to suggest a slight change in structure.

Each mode section is currently a largely technical description of how the concepts work and how to use them.  I would like to suggest that each section is prefaced with a description which answers the notional question "what does this mean to me" and then proceed to the technical section.

For example the cloud mode might contain something like the following:

Cloud/Internet Mode: Tinycore Default
Whether you use Tinycore on just one, or many different computers, this mode guarantees you are using our most up to date applications.  Each time you start Tinycore it is like using a fresh, clean PC ready to be customized by adding your choice of applications.

When used in this way it is similar to using a 'single shot ' PC.  Once the PC is switched off everything is lost, Tinycore, applications and all unsaved data.  Switching the PC on again puts you back in control of a pristine Tinycore PC awaiting your customization.

roberts technical description answering "what it is" and/or "how to use it"


Question: Should the title of the cloud section be as I have shown above?  It seems to be reversed in the published version when compared to the other section headings.
 

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Re: Please update Docu on "Modes of Operation"
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2010, 06:51:30 AM »
Cloud is not the only pristine boot. To me, stating such is obvious.
PPR provides a pristine boot each time which is not obvious.
The Hybrid, PPI, which actually writes the files onto a hard drive partition does not.
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Re: Please update Docu on "Modes of Operation"
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2010, 08:59:28 AM »
To clarify a little more...

My idea was that each mode section has its own, individual preface.  The suggested wording related only to the Cloud mode and was not intended to be all encompassing or refer to any other mode.  The wording offered was simply an indication of the type of non technical description that might enable a new use to quickly establish whether that section is of interest and lead in to the technical description.

Cloud is not the only pristine boot. To me, stating such is obvious.
PPR provides a pristine boot each time which is not obvious.
The Hybrid, PPI, which actually writes the files onto a hard drive partition does not.
It was not my intention to imply that Cloud mode is the only pristine boot, rather that it does produce a pristine environment.  Each mode preface would contain non technical information relevant to the mode it is describing.

I fully accept that to veteran TC users, and particularly the main developer, the difference between the modes is obvious.  To newer users of the distro this difference has to be learned and understood.  The idea of a non technical preface element to each mode section is made with the intention of helping gain an initial understanding of TC.
 
As a new user I am not aware of what may be considered obvious; taken for granted or assumed about TC or its use.  The suggestion is offered simply in the spirit of helping the project from one who is still exploring the distro.
 

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Re: Please update Docu on "Modes of Operation"
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2010, 04:18:35 PM »
As the author of the Core infrastructure, it is not possible for me to have the perspective of a new user. Core Concepts has always been slanted on the technical side.  It is penned by the developer

Core Concepts  is not intended to be an "Introduction to Core".  I should not be the one to attempt such an introductory document. I am open to those who are adept at creating such introductory material to offer up their submissions for my review.
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Re: Please update Docu on "Modes of Operation"
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2010, 07:06:03 AM »
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Core Concepts  is not intended to be an "Introduction to Core".  I should not be the one to attempt such an introductory document. I am open to those who are adept at creating such introductory material to offer up their submissions for my review.

Well, as long as we're looking for a starting point (attached PDF, ODT).

Feel free to pull down the attachments once you've got 'em, Roberts.

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Re: Please update Docu on "Modes of Operation"
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2010, 07:21:26 AM »
Thanks!
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Re: Please update Docu on "Modes of Operation"
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2010, 02:31:24 AM »
Core Concepts has always been slanted on the technical side.
Does this imply that you wish it to remain a technical document only?

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Re: Please update Docu on "Modes of Operation"
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2010, 07:20:38 AM »
Thanks to user dentonlt, an Intro link has been added to our main webpage pointing to an "Introduction to Core".
« Last Edit: March 21, 2010, 05:25:22 AM by roberts »
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Re: Please update Docu on "Modes of Operation"
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2010, 05:18:42 PM »
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Core Concepts  is not intended to be an "Introduction to Core".  I should not be the one to attempt such an introductory document. I am open to those who are adept at creating such introductory material to offer up their submissions for my review.

Well, as long as we're looking for a starting point (attached PDF, ODT).

Feel free to pull down the attachments once you've got 'em, Roberts.

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dentonit, I really like what you  have written. Here are a few proofreading notes:

pdf p1 "Many question already have . . . " change to "Many questions already have . . . "
pdf p1 "but, like and strong tool" change to "but, like any strong tool"
pdf p2 "after an unusually boot up." I'm not sure what is meant here, but I'd change it to "after you boot Tiny Core for the first time--usually via an ethernet connection."
pdf p3 "Don't forget to RTM." OK. I admit I'm out of it, but what is RTM?

These are tiny suggestions, dentonit, because I think you have done a terrific job of writing an engaging introduction and invitation to potential users. Kudos.

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Re: Please update Docu on "Modes of Operation"
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2010, 09:50:40 PM »
Since dentonlt does not have direct access to the website, I have taken the liberty to perform some of the suggested edits.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2010, 05:24:11 AM by roberts »
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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2010, 04:23:50 PM »
Hi

I am a TC newbie and frequently start the day in stupid persistant mode....heh heh

Feedback section: The Copy Mode of Operation: TCE/Install + copyfs indicator

Suggest you edit to include the following between the bold font.....if you agree I am understanding your core concepts. Whip me if I am still stupid......but if still stupid....maybe others like me....will fail to understand this bit as well?

The default mode is to mount. This means the tcz file is available to be installed but not yet installed. It is available to be read by the appbrowser as a local file that does not need downloading,  but not yet installed. Use the appbrowser to install local if you need it. If you wish to literally install.


Suggest you delete the word copy install.....(looks ugly IMHO) and change to

you have the choice of installing the entire collection

regards


BTW even if you disagree with my suggestions.....your web page is a lot easier to read now thanks

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Re: Please update Docu on "Modes of Operation"
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2010, 03:47:11 PM »
I believe that it's "dentonlt" and not "dentonit" :P

For the record, RTM in this context means "read the manual"

aus9: no, that is incorrect (doesn't relate)