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Offline Paul_123

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Re: Pi4
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2019, 10:31:15 AM »
RPI is not planning to release a 64 bit version, and will not until there is a valid reason too.  https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-4-on-sale-now-from-35/#comment-1510286

And all pis have reported as BCM2835 for sometime, this is intentional as well.

Offline gavinmc42

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Re: Pi4
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2019, 10:57:45 PM »
Just because RPF have not done a 64bit version does not mean it is impossible
I use Gentoo64.

The Pi4B1 is cheaper than the 4B4 but 1GB is small for a dual screen OS.
Unless there is nice small OS ;)

Any speed penalty between 32 and 64bit is now less important as the 4 is faster in everything.
With the dual screens that makes it a reasonable box for Desktop development.
But probably best to get the 4B4 when compiling things like the kernel.

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Re: Pi4
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2019, 02:51:30 AM »
My RPi4 just arrived, show is starting :)
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Re: Pi4
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2019, 08:19:12 AM »
Just back in stock at The PiHut, so mine's on order now, should get it next week, waited for the 4GB version, didn't see any point in just getting a 2GB version. ;)

Will be following your progress. :)
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Offline gavinmc42

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Re: Pi4
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2019, 07:44:26 PM »
Clues for a PiCore64?
https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=244478

PI4 is smoking fast even on untuned Raspbian.
Er, smoking just mean now usable as Desktop :)

Offline TimJ

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Re: Pi4
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2019, 03:14:17 PM »
Personally I don't see any advantage of 64bit on the Pi, but I have just installed Openwrt on a Pi3 and to my surprise it reports
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root@OpenWrt:~# uname -a
Linux OpenWrt 4.9.152 #0 SMP Wed Jan 30 12:21:02 2019 aarch64 GNU/Linux

Offline gavinmc42

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Re: Pi4
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2019, 07:53:25 PM »
Did not know OpenWRT was 64bit on Pi3.
Thanks for that, now that the Pi4's are out I need to do something with my 3's.
Battlemesh is interesting.

Going to be interesting to see how long it takes for a Pi4 2711/A72 version.

Some big software apps like databases prefer 64bit.
The big software houses are dropping 32bit support.

The thing with PiCore is it works really well on the smaller Pi's and probably 32bit is ok.
Not going to see massive databases running on a Zero W?
Why go to all that pain when spending a few more 10x dollars gets you a Pi4?

A Pi4 with 6 Uart connected Zeros could make a small multiuser system.
A few of those and donated screens and a classroom could be setup?


Offline xyz-worx

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Re: Pi4
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2019, 03:42:27 AM »
Hello gavinmc42,

if you have one spare RPi3, why not using it for a "Pi-hole" (https://pi-hole.net/).

IMHO the best network-wide ad-blocker you can find.
Mine runs on a an iMX53 QSB with custom compiled kernel
under Debian Strech without any problems.

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Offline geev03

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Re: Pi4
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2019, 07:24:54 AM »
Code: (bash) [Select]
login as: gv
gv@192.168.1.234's password:
Welcome to Alpine!

The Alpine Wiki contains a large amount of how-to guides and general
information about administrating Alpine systems.
See <http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/>.

You can setup the system with the command: setup-alpine

You may change this message by editing /etc/motd.

Could not chdir to home directory /home/gv: No such file or directory
localhost:/$ uname -a
Linux localhost 4.19.53-0-rpi #1-Alpine SMP PREEMPT Wed Jun 19 14:41:19 UTC 2019    aarch64 Linux
localhost:/$

Found the 64 bit Alpine Linux  very fast  on RPi 3B   . The 64bit WoA (Windows 10 pro-1803) on the same Pi3B  is a bit slow but the WsL is usable.

Hope the TinyCore for Pi4B is gradually nearing the release date...


Offline gavinmc42

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Re: Pi4
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2019, 08:58:56 PM »
if you have one spare RPi3, why not using it for a "Pi-hole" (https://pi-hole.net/).

Anyone put pi-hole on PiCore?
Raspbian Lite is too big for me, I would prefer a nice small PiCore version.
But is the Ethernet fast enough on a Pi3?

Offline Paul_123

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Re: Pi4
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2019, 10:09:35 AM »
I've glanced at the install script several times.....doesn't look like it would be all that bad to do.  Updates and persistent/log data is probably the most difficult to deal with.

I think Ethernet speed is relative, but isn't pihole just a glorified DNS server.  Not all your traffic is going through the device.


Offline Greg Erskine

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Re: Pi4
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2019, 03:11:26 PM »
I vote gavinmc42 gets pihole going on piCore.  :D

I was looking at it last week because I seem to be getting bombarded with advertisements!

BTW: I really like the writing style of the pihole scripts.

Offline xyz-worx

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Re: Pi4
« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2019, 01:52:01 AM »
Hi,

I didn't want to hijack this thread with quite different topic. Maybe we can
open a separate thread to share ideas.

Therefore only some additional thoughts:

@Paul:
You are right. Pihole is only responsible to resolve (or block) URL requests.
The remaining traffic is untouched.

@Greg:
That's exact why I installed it about half a year ago. Up to 40% of URL requests
are blocked, because they are directed to advertisement or tracking systems.
The current 'blacklist' has about 140,000 (sic!) entries at the time of writing this.

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Offline gavinmc42

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Re: Pi4
« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2019, 10:05:34 PM »
I vote gavinmc42 gets pihole going on piCore. :-X

I will be getting a Pi4B4 for development, things like PiCore kernel compiling etc.

But I found the Fifth Browser not too bad back in version 9?
Is that similar ad blocking?

Offline PDP-8

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Re: Pi4
« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2019, 02:45:36 PM »
Uh oh, the usb-c connector is missing some resistors ...

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/07/10/pi_4_usb_c/

Apparently this might confuse *some* power adapters with e-marked cabling as being an audio device.  I suppose a fix is already in order ...
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