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Re: Wayland
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2017, 05:01:03 AM »

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Re: Wayland
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2017, 05:13:52 AM »
May I ask how you came to the conclusion that systemd is required to build Mutter with Wayland support?

Although the configure script does not halt with an error, config.log shows that the script has searched and failed to find libsystemd and make fails with an unknown type name error.

Neither of the above occurs without the wayland backend.

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Re: Wayland
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2017, 05:19:42 AM »
Ah, just came across this:

https://github.com/dantrell/gentoo-project-gnome-without-systemd/blob/master/README.md

From the link above:
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This project delivers:

    GNOME without systemd and with basic functionality
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The only feature which does not work is Wayland.

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Re: Wayland
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2017, 05:22:01 AM »
Yes, the root cause is explained over there:

https://blogs.gnome.org/ovitters/2013/09/25/gnome-and-logindsystemd-thoughts/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd#Integration_with_other_software

What would be so bad about systemd on Tiny Core Linux?

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Re: Wayland
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2017, 06:44:46 AM »
Hi pq5190362
What would be so bad about systemd on Tiny Core Linux?

That's been covered in this thread:
http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,16961.msg101662.html#msg101662

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Re: Wayland
« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2018, 05:17:24 PM »
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Re: Wayland
« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2018, 01:06:22 AM »
i thought you already said this.
emulating more systemd stuff means the architecture is driven by systemd regardless.
wayland is still mainly freedesktop driven and in that the implementation is totally braindamaged. i don't recommend basing anything on it.

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Re: Wayland
« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2018, 07:17:35 AM »
Then you thought wrongly. I had not said this earlier.

Previously it said:

The only feature which does not work is Wayland.

Now it says:

The only feature which does not work is Wayland (unless you are using an elogind implementation).

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So, there have been a few advances in the meantime. With elogind, it's now possible to even use Wayland on GNOME without systemd.
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« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2018, 08:16:12 AM »
elogind is a part of systemd. whether you drag all the parts of systemd in individually or infest the whole system once doesn't make a real difference IMO. it's still systemd.
so you still cannot use this without (at least parts of) systemd.

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« Reply #40 on: March 28, 2018, 01:07:39 PM »
elogind is a part of systemd. whether you drag all the parts of systemd in individually or infest the whole system once doesn't make a real difference IMO. it's still systemd.

Maybe read properly?

1. elogind is not part of systemd, it has been extraced from systemd to run stand-alone
2. Using elogind is neither dragging all parts of systemd in individually nor is it using entirely using systemd at once, it's simply using elogind as stand-alone software

So you should go back and read all of this again:

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Elogind
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GNOME/GNOME_Without_systemd
https://github.com/elogind/elogind
https://github.com/dantrell/gentoo-project-gnome-without-systemd

But considering your track record of jumping to conclusions and being against everything new from the get-go, maybe you can spare yourself from reading it in the first place.

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Re: Wayland
« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2018, 05:53:44 PM »
This doesn't sound like "Hey, here is some info" but like "Hey, I know better than you".
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Re: Wayland
« Reply #42 on: March 29, 2018, 04:32:52 PM »
What would be so bad about systemd on Tiny Core Linux?

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Re: Wayland
« Reply #43 on: April 26, 2018, 08:03:36 AM »
GNOME Mutter 3.29.1 Now Works With Elogind, Allows For Wayland On Non-Systemd Distros

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=GNOME-Mutter-3.29.1

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Mutter can now be built with elogind. That is the systemd-logind as its own standalone package. This in turn allows using Mutter with its native Wayland back-end on Linux distributions using init systems besides systemd.
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