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Re: Frugal install on new laptop (UEFI-BIOS trouble?)
« Reply #45 on: October 03, 2017, 05:57:50 AM »
In theory, but the file size might be an issue.

Then just upload the image to your preferred image hoster and post the link here, nothing that can not be solved with a quick Google search.

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Re: Frugal install on new laptop (UEFI-BIOS trouble?)
« Reply #46 on: October 03, 2017, 06:05:03 AM »
I've attached a picture. (Hopefully)

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Re: Frugal install on new laptop (UEFI-BIOS trouble?)
« Reply #47 on: October 03, 2017, 06:06:14 AM »
Note the two '>'s in front of the Boot Order entries.
I can change the order of these things, (and see the changes back after reboot etc),
but I can't remove or move these >'s in front of the two lines indicated.
Also, I can't remove lines, or disable them.


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Re: Frugal install on new laptop (UEFI-BIOS trouble?)
« Reply #48 on: October 03, 2017, 06:13:07 AM »
Two more pictures

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Re: Frugal install on new laptop (UEFI-BIOS trouble?)
« Reply #49 on: October 03, 2017, 06:21:06 AM »
I've attached a picture. (Hopefully)

Thanks. Yes, we can see the photos.

Unfortunately though you did not take a photo of the whole screen. In particular it would be interesting what the bottom of the screen says when you highlight one of the boot entries, because that's where they usually show the keys that you can use to alter settings, i.e. pressing F5 to disable a boot entry for example.

Can you please attach a photo of the entire screen, ideally with the "OS Boot Manager" entry being highlighted?

Also, is there any screen in the BIOS that has a setting for "Option ROMs" or "OpROMs" or something like that? If yes: Can you also post a photo of that one?

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Re: Frugal install on new laptop (UEFI-BIOS trouble?)
« Reply #50 on: October 03, 2017, 06:29:59 AM »
PS: Sometimes the available keys to press and the help text is also being shown on the right side instead of at the bottom.

Just post a photo showing the entire screen with "OS Boot Manager" highlighted. Ideally also one with "USB Diskette on Key/USB Hard Disk" highlighted.

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Re: Frugal install on new laptop (UEFI-BIOS trouble?)
« Reply #51 on: October 03, 2017, 06:47:36 AM »
Photos of the entire screen are too large to be attached, so I have to cut and paste a bit. The help text at the right is the same for OS boot Manager and for USB Diskette etc. See attachment.
There's nowhere any mention of opROM.

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Re: Frugal install on new laptop (UEFI-BIOS trouble?)
« Reply #52 on: October 03, 2017, 06:56:51 AM »
Update:
1) I have disabled Legacy mode, and at the same time disabled Security Boot.
With that, I can't even boot TinyCore from USB - it doesn't show in the list of boot options anymore.

2) I'm currently playing around with boot orders from Ubuntu / efibootmgr


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Re: Frugal install on new laptop (UEFI-BIOS trouble?)
« Reply #53 on: October 03, 2017, 07:08:56 AM »
I think I might know what the issue is now:

First of all, it must be possible to remove that arrow in front of "OS Boot Manager", otherwise there would not be screenshots on the Internet like the following one:

http://i.imgur.com/1tR5XGJ.jpg

Second:

I think that arrow might be there because the MS Windows installation has "Fast Startup" (aka "Hiberboot") enabled, which prevents the PC from properly shutting down. It might be possible that disabling it and then rebooting (not shutting down) the PC might remove the arrow in front of "OS Boot Manager". The following page explains how to do it:

https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/windows#TOC-Disable-Fast-Startup-no-loss-it-s-misleading-anyway-

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If I were you, I would probably also try to highlight "OS Boot Manager" and press every key available on the keyboard, one after another, to see if it removes the arrow in front of "OS Boot Manager". If it doesn't, I would also try doing the same while "USB Diskette on Key/USB Hard Disk" is highlighted to see if it moves the arrow to be in front of "USB Diskette on Key/USB Hard Disk".
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Re: Frugal install on new laptop (UEFI-BIOS trouble?)
« Reply #54 on: October 03, 2017, 08:30:27 AM »
I have disabled Legacy mode, and at the same time disabled Security Boot.
With that, I can't even boot TinyCore from USB - it doesn't show in the list of boot options anymore.
..and it will not show up until you burn the CorePure64 iso to cd/dvd or follow the grub2 or syslinux uefi boot instructions

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I'm currently playing around with boot orders from Ubuntu / efibootmgr
..so please use ubuntu to create a tinycore uefi boot usb stick following the tinycore grub2/syslinux instructions...

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Re: Frugal install on new laptop (UEFI-BIOS trouble?)
« Reply #55 on: October 03, 2017, 12:19:39 PM »
Yes, that's one of the things that I will try next.

Once again thanks for all respondents!

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Re: Frugal install on new laptop (UEFI-BIOS trouble?)
« Reply #56 on: October 04, 2017, 03:11:07 PM »
Am I correct in thinking that tc-install.tcz doesn't deal with making a USB bootable?
That is, it won't add a bootloader, nor (U)EFI support, etc?


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Re: Frugal install on new laptop (UEFI-BIOS trouble?)
« Reply #57 on: October 04, 2017, 04:22:00 PM »
tc-install will make a bootable USB stick, but only for legacy bios boot.

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Re: Frugal install on new laptop (UEFI-BIOS trouble?)
« Reply #58 on: October 04, 2017, 05:46:39 PM »
Hmm. I've used tc-install to create a bootable USB, but in legacy mode the USB is not recognized. Does that mean I've made some mistake with tc-install?
Or is the legacy mode of my hardware to blame?

Is there a way to check whether the USB should work, other than boot and test?

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Re: Frugal install on new laptop (UEFI-BIOS trouble?)
« Reply #59 on: October 04, 2017, 06:02:48 PM »
You could try with qemu but I'd try another PC.
Not every bootable stick boots on every PC. Sometimes different boot loaders work better, sometimes others. Though, syslinux was the most reliable for me so far, IIRC.

tc-install uses syslinux.
Download a copy and keep it handy: Core book ;)