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Offline ulfr

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Re: TC 8 already :)
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2016, 11:57:22 AM »

  hey
  just my 2 cents
  tinycore and dcore are the greatest
  i cant make them (not a dev) but i can appreciate them
  thanks guys
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« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2016, 11:35:24 PM »
You don't need to install any xf86-video-* DDX at all to land on xf86-video-modesetting.

As already discussed in another thread, xf86-video-modesetting is included in xorg-server now, so it will automatically be used if no other xf86-video-* DDX is installed.

That is not the case with my hardware - if xf86-video-vesa is not loaded, Xorg-7.7 will fail with a "no screens found" message even though it successfully loaded the modesetting driver.

If xf86-video-vesa is loaded, Xorg-7.7 will use the modesetting driver in preference to the vesa driver.

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« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2016, 01:29:08 AM »
"Xorg-7.7 will use the modesetting driver in preference to the vesa driver"
Is there any benefit in this for the user? (just curious) :)

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Re: TC 8 already :)
« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2016, 02:26:01 AM »
Full resolution with non-VESA screens.
The only barriers that can stop you are the ones you create yourself.

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« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2016, 03:20:19 AM »
ah, that's useful :)

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« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2016, 03:59:55 AM »
Full resolution with non-VESA screens.

No, that's not really (the only) benefit.

It's rather:

xf86-video-vesa is not accelerated, whereas xf86-video-modesetting is.

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Re: TC 8 already :)
« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2016, 06:00:22 AM »
Since "Santa" (  ;D  ;) ) is currently working on bringing Wayland to Tiny Core Linux, maybe it would be a good idea to make a nice and lean Wayland + Weston session the new default for Tiny Core Linux 8.x  :).

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« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2016, 06:02:45 AM »
wayland might be an option for corepure64 8.x, but it's not going to be the default...

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« Reply #38 on: December 21, 2016, 06:42:55 AM »
what's the point of wayland?

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« Reply #39 on: December 21, 2016, 07:33:45 AM »

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« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2016, 11:00:01 PM »
Not sure when TC 8 RC set for release, hope to submit some proposed default configs within the week. Highlights and rational below. Combination of usability, simplicity, performance and cosmetic. Feedback and discussion welcome, thanks.

* Modify /etc/motd, no more subjective image, ascii 'Tiny Core Linux' centered across top, similar to link below. I proposed similar before and no change was deemed necessary. Will only spend time on this if there is interest and commitment from developers.
  http://wiki.tinycorelinux.net/_media/dcore:dcorescreenshot:dcore_default_boot.png?cache=

* Modify /etc/.setbackground, move away from Win95 (blue backing) meets Apple (wbar) first impression, recommend:
  Change background to medium grey or similar, eg. hsetroot -solid "#979797"

* Modify /etc/skel/.ashrc:
  #alias d='dmenu_run &'                   # Delete, no dmenu since TC4 !
  alias tce='cd /etc/sysconfig/tcedir'  # 'ce' not intuitive

* Modify /etc/skel/.Xdefaults to:
  Aterm*transparent: false
    - Not true transparency anyway (ie. tacky), reduces usability, performance hit:
      http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=9021.msg128544#msg128544
  Aterm*fading: 100
    - Poor default interface, opening side by side terminals should not render unfocused terminal virtually unreadable.
    - This made first learning TC much more difficult, took a while to figure out which option was the culprit.

* Modify /root/.Xdefaults to:
    Aterm*transparent: false     # As ./Xdefaults notes above
    Aterm*title: Root Terminal    # ID working in root
    Aterm*cursorColor: yellow   # Cautionary yellow vs 'tc' green
    Aterm*fading: 100                # As ./Xdefaults notes above

* Remove following /opt/.xfiletool.lst entries, irrelevant for most installs, default should be software agnostic:
    XUL.mfasl                                        #Query outdated Firefox files
    XPC.mfasl
    .adobe/Flash_Player/AssetCache  #Impression TC developers recommend Flash
    .macromedia/Flash_Player
    .opera/opcache                               #TC's Opera is seriously outdated
    .opera/cache4

Offline hiro

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Re: TC 8 already :)
« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2016, 02:24:27 AM »
so, i still use opera, i don't care how seriously it is outdated as long as all the alternatives don't work on low RAM computers.

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« Reply #42 on: December 28, 2016, 03:34:28 AM »
* Modify /etc/skel/.ashrc:
  alias tce='cd /etc/sysconfig/tcedir'  # 'ce' not intuitive

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$ which tce
/usr/bin/tce
$ realpath `which tce-ab`
/usr/bin/tce

"tce" is a CLI app browser script, not exactly a good idea to replace "ce" with "tce"  :P

Offline Misalf

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« Reply #43 on: December 28, 2016, 05:42:27 AM »
Some good points nitram.
Haha, you don't like your owl anymore? :p

Not sure about the style change. The background is the first thing I set (to plain black usually) but that's totally up to each user I'd say. Screenshots of Tiny Core, one can find on the web, show this particular style, and I would stick with it. It's not ugly, even though not very pretty, but it resembles Tiny Core.

"ce" is not intuitive, true. Not sure about a replacement.

The terminal to be set transparent by default (also by FLTK apps hard-coded) really should be ditched. Depending on users settings, one can end up with black text on black background. I can determine exact mismatching settings if needed. I've hex-edited the Apps binary to work-around this issue for myself.
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« Reply #44 on: December 28, 2016, 07:16:56 AM »
Thanks polikuo, spend more time in dCore, forgot about tce-ab. Making a point hiro that TC base configs should be software agnostic whenever possible. There are hundreds of repository extensions, default .xfiletool.lst shouldn't cater to three applications. This ~/.ashrc might be good, instantly navigate critical TC directories, feedback please. The other alternative is 'te' for /tcedir/, this was suggested somewhere before, it's okay but does not cover other frequently accessed directories.

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# Quick access to TC configuration directories:
alias o='cd /opt'
alias s='cd /etc/sysconfig'
alias t='cd /etc/sysconfig/tcedir'