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Offline nick65go

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Re: Tiny Core 5.0 Alpha 3 Testing
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2013, 02:39:27 AM »
just fireup Tiny Core 5.0 Alpha 3 Testing in qemu, and it says "Booting Core 5.0.alpha2;)

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Re: Tiny Core 5.0 Alpha 3 Testing
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2013, 02:40:51 AM »
Thanks - it'll be fixed at some point..

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Re: Tiny Core 5.0 Alpha 3 Testing
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2013, 11:20:29 AM »
Does anyone know the location of the 5.x repo, i would like to test this new Xorg-7.7, thanks.

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Re: Tiny Core 5.0 Alpha 3 Testing
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2013, 12:45:47 PM »
Hi LinuxUser01
Check here:
http://tinycorelinux.net/5.x/x86/tcz/

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Re: Tiny Core 5.0 Alpha 3 Testing
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2013, 07:20:48 PM »
If you have an internet connection on your tce-5.x test machine, it would be easier to use the apps gui or "tce-load -iw Xorg-7.7".

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Re: Tiny Core 5.0 Alpha 3 Testing
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2013, 08:37:04 PM »
I do have internet connection, but i just can't find Xorg-7.7 in the repo. The link that was given to me by Rich just displays text and there isn't really an option to download anything, but it does show Xorg-7.7 in there. I've actually went through most of the mirror's and just can't find Xorg-7.7.

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Re: Tiny Core 5.0 Alpha 3 Testing
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2013, 08:56:11 PM »
If you have an Internet connection, I recommend to boot your machine in tc-5.x and use the apps gui or command line to download and load the Xorg-7.7 extension.

The Xorg-7.7 extension has many deps and it will be painful to download manually.

As I test, I booted tc-5.x from a usb stick yesterday with the "text" boot code, downloaded Xorg-7.7 using "tce-load -w Xorg-7.7" and everything worked fine first time.

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Re: Tiny Core 5.0 Alpha 3 Testing
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2013, 05:06:01 AM »
xorg-server extension updated to cure problem with fixed fonts

Use the apps gui "check for updates" function to download the corrected version

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Re: Tiny Core 5.0 Alpha 3 Testing
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2013, 09:45:49 AM »
I have run Tiny Core 5.0 Alpha 3, and in dmesg is
"Linux version 3.8.10-tinycore (tc@box) (gcc version 4.6.1 (GCC) ) #3810 SMP Tue Apr 30 15:45:26 UTC 2013"
It runs OK, but I hoped for gcc 4.7.2 as is in gcc.tcz, to rebuild the core itself with the same up to date tools as in compiletc.tcz

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Re: Tiny Core 5.0 Alpha 3 Testing
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2013, 01:10:01 PM »
Hi nick65go
Somebody else brought that up a year or two ago. As I recall, the answer given was that the current version of Tinycore
including its toolchain is used to compile the kernel for the next version of Tinycore. There was more to that answer
about not wanting to have to recompile the kernel a second time though I don't recall the details.

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Re: Tiny Core 5.0 Alpha 3 Testing
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2013, 04:15:29 PM »
Hi Rich,
I understand your answer, and I realy don't have a problem with the actual development method.
I just wondered, why not use lets say gcc 4.8.1 ? For example my kernel is Linux version 3.9.7-1-ARCH (tobias@T-POWA-LX) (gcc version 4.8.1 (GCC) ) #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Jun 20 22:45:32 CEST 2013, x86_64 GNU/Linux. Is an archlinux unchanged kernel. So the gcc 4.8 is tested to work OK by a wide community.

The idea is the same like in "Aboriginal Linux" to have a self hosting linux (using just kernel, libc and busybox etc).
So, first to have the gcc [cross?]compiler, then we compile the kernel, just once.
Lets take the worst scenario, that the kernel compilation will fail, very unlikely because any vanila kernel JUST compile, otherwise the kernel developers can go make sepuke themself :) On my Core2Duo with 2 Mb RAM, a 5 years old notebook, the full tinycore kernel will compile in less than 20 minutes.

So do we discuss about 20 minutes eventual waste time in a full core life circle of maybe one year?
Anyway I can live with this, I just like tinycore concepts, but many times I wish to rebuild things.

Keep the good work, and sorry for my noise.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2013, 04:21:09 PM by nick65go »

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Re: Tiny Core 5.0 Alpha 3 Testing
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2013, 09:58:41 PM »
Xorg-7.7 users should note that the only new video drivers are:

xf86-video-fbdev
xf86-video-intel
xf86-video-nouveau
xf86-video-vesa

The other video drivers are from the Xorg-7.6 build and may or may not work.

Updated video extensions would be welcomed or, if somebody is stuck, I can look at compiling one or two.

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Re: Tiny Core 5.0 Alpha 3 Testing
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2013, 12:25:43 AM »
I just wondered, why not use lets say gcc 4.8.1 ? For example my kernel is Linux version 3.9.7-1-ARCH (tobias@T-POWA-LX) (gcc version 4.8.1 (GCC) ) #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Jun 20 22:45:32 CEST 2013, x86_64 GNU/Linux. Is an archlinux unchanged kernel. So the gcc 4.8 is tested to work OK by a wide community.

Arch has rather a reputation of rolling release bleeding edge, and therefore not a good reference to what is well tested.

Slackware 14.0 (stable release) is currently at gcc-4.7.1, while Debian stable is at gcc-4.7.2-5.
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Re: Tiny Core 5.0 Alpha 3 Testing
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2013, 12:42:12 AM »
Do not miss Redhat which is the de facto industrial standard Linux and CentOS. They are on GCC 4.4.7
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Re: Tiny Core 5.0 Alpha 3 Testing
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2013, 01:36:18 AM »
l3afpad built as a test for Xorg-7.7-dev and gtk3 (which needs libxcb, now a dep of libX11).

'Seems to work, so those who were waiting on Xorg-7.7-dev and/or libpng-dev to recompile tc-4.x extensions can now go ahead.