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Offline cast-fish

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« on: February 06, 2012, 10:24:51 AM »
Hello

I downloaded "Tinycore" latest release.  (iso)

How do i install it or get it running?...(not using CD's or even Pen drives..)

my laptop has a 20 gig hard-drive with windowsXP on it.

thanks

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Re: tinycore
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2012, 10:30:53 AM »
Hello

i think what i mean is..

can i install TINYCORE to my hard drive....by simply clicking the iso on the windows Desktop?
(or linux desktop)

can "unetbootin" tool or something else achieve the above?

thanks

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Re: tinycore
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2012, 11:00:09 AM »
I dont think so...
I already have installed TC on a netbook which had XP on it (like you). I made xp and tc running in parallel. I made it in a manual way (not using tc-install when starting a multicore CD; but why not, it could be valuable to try that way for you). The pc is from a colleague, and Im writing from what I remember, so dont kill me if there are few unclear things here. I will edit and rework this post until your install will be done.
I made:
- defragment HDD with win xp
- re-defragment ..
- start a USB with gparted (or a CD with gparted) via tc or other OS then reduce the windows partition and create a ext4 partition for the tc files and tc extensions (2 gig should be enough). This partition should not be marked "boot".
- put the tc files (of the multicore.iso by using isomaster of of your usb stick on the ext4 partition): core.gz vmlinuz & diverse extensions like Xprogs wbar Xlibs.. see how to build here in this forum the full tc with core.gz and the extensions (in this step, perhaps it would be the opportunity to use tc-install for installing all files).
- create the multiboot xp/tc according http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,11265.msg58975.html#msg58975
- reboot
- choose the boot line for booting into tc
- make your tc setup (and create your backup)
hopefully this description is acceptable for you.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2012, 12:38:10 PM by floppy »
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Re: tinycore
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2012, 01:02:26 PM »
Hello

Oh , seems complicated....i wondered if "unetbootin" would work?  (even on older TC versions like 3.7)

for a frugal hard drive install?

thanks

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Re: tinycore
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2012, 11:45:43 AM »
hello,

so far I remember, there was a person in this forum installing tc on ntfs partition ...
http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,11555.msg61061.html#msg61061 AND the linked page..
http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,7120.msg37616.html#msg37616

So far I understand this post http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,12231.msg65785.html#msg65785
it is possible to install tc with "tc-install" on a ext4 boot partition, then chainload xp from the extlinux.conf file (in the case above is grub described; exytlinux should be identical). Perhaps quicker?
« Last Edit: February 07, 2012, 01:10:48 PM by floppy »
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Re: tinycore
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2012, 06:40:48 PM »
hello

uh


ye...i kind of understand you

but i was just looking for a simple way to achieve my goal

a one lick program..

something like the program

core2usb    written for win32 desktop......(which puts the TCL iso file onto a PEN DRIVE and makes TCL bootable from PEN....)

i wanted a tool that when clicked from the desktop.....takes a TCL .iso file and installs that file onto the computers drive....and makes TCL bootable on that drive.

i understand what you post says.....it's just that non of that stuff is automated into
one simple tool.

UnetBootin *did* work for my goals...but i believe it only worked with TCL 3** and it
does not work with TCL  4***


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Re: tinycore
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2012, 12:24:32 PM »
or install tcl on an usb stick and boot from there. this is quick and not so painfull.
You can re-use that usb on any pc.
my usb (in fac a SD card on usb adapter) can boot with diverse boot lines in extlinux.conf (different onbootx.lst and mydatax.tgz different boot codes..) diverse PCs I have around me in my daily life (pc at home, from friends etc.):
- asus bi-core K51AE
- samsung nc10
- hp6910
I personally dont know any other quicker install method.
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Re: tinycore
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2012, 11:18:03 AM »
Hello

Ye, if you read my first post in this thread, you'll see it says "without CD's
or PEN drives"

To be honest....i just can't understand why TC team have not made this win32
desktop tool yet. Or indeed, a similar tool for the Linux desktop.

similar to Unetbootin...because Unetbootin no longer words with TC 4* i believe.

thanks

i will ask around

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Re: tinycore
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2012, 11:29:23 AM »
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similar to Unetbootin...because Unetbootin no longer words with TC 4* i believe.

Unetbootin will work with one simple adjustment.
After Unetbootin copying is completed, change cde to tce
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Re: tinycore
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2012, 11:32:25 AM »
H cast-fish
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To be honest....i just can't understand why TC team have not made this win32
desktop tool yet. Or indeed, a similar tool for the Linux desktop.
Maybe because they are not interested in developing, debugging, and hosting Windows applications.

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Re: tinycore
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2012, 11:49:45 AM »
Ahhh great

Unetbootin works for Frugal HD installs of TCL 4*?....super! 

ye...it would take me for ever to create a tool to do what i mention.

core2usb is a useful win32 tool...it works

thanks

i will proceed with unetbootin

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Re: tinycore
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2012, 01:33:42 PM »
Markus

hello

i was wondering if your tool called "core2usb" will work from my windows
desktop to put TCL onto an external USB hard drive.

Would i just format the entire USB hard drive to ext3?
then follow the onscreen prompts?

thanks

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Re: tinycore
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2012, 03:01:47 PM »
Hi,

core2usb at the moment works only with FAT formatted partition as you can not create an ext3 partition on Windows and it installs a boot loader for FAT. What you do is to create a small, lets say 64MByte FAT partition at the beginning of the drive and leave empty remaining area, than install TC with core2usb. I haven't tried it on USB HD but expected to work. If so, you have a base TC system working. Now you can format the empty second partition to ext3/ext4 and move /tce dir from the fat system to the native LINUX partition. Reboot and ready.
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Re: tinycore
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2012, 09:24:31 PM »
Markus

Ahh right....i see what you mean.

It's funny but i don't even remember thinking about these topics when fist using
"core2usb"...i just used common sense and it worked!

The first time i used "core2usb" was from a winXP desktop with a 2 gigabyte
pen drive plugged in. Now that pen drive *must* have been fat formatted then?
(funny because i almost remember making an ex3 partition for the task but the
pen must also have contained a FAT partition and that is what TCL used)

Markus, to be honest...i will give "core2usb" another try from the win32 desktop
with the 2 gig pen drive plugged up that contains only ONE empty FAT partition.
(see what happens)

DEpending upon the paragraph above outcome....i will then take this USB HARD DRIVE
and completely format it to FAT and maybe try the same as what's above....

OR ...i will follow your advice about the partitioning and shifting things around..and
see what happens.

Either way...the laptop can boot to PEN or to USB HARD DRIVE so things should be ok.

I have gained some success with TCL for watching web movies...it seems to work real
good for this simple task so i am back using TCL almost daily now....other stuff is fine
but web movies work perfectly with NO fuss "out of the box" and with a very high
picture quality even in Xvesa from "mplayer-nodeps".

I wonder if you know Markus?....does an "over sized" swap drive confuse TCL?....like a 3 gig
swap drive?.....i just wondered....

thanks

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Re: tinycore
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2012, 10:21:53 PM »
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I wonder if you know Markus?....does an "over sized" swap drive confuse TCL?....like a 3 gig
swap drive?.....i just wondered....

You can not oversize a swap partition (guess you mean partition). Worst thing can happen that it is not used fully :)
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