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Xvesa old IBM Thinkpads with the Neomagic
« on: January 07, 2012, 06:33:59 AM »
Resolution is fine, but so few colors as to be almost unreadable. Guess xvesa will just not work. A shame because I like the tiny core base system with just opera. No need for gtk, xorg, or gnu overhead.

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Re: Xvesa old IBM Thinkpads with the Neomagic
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2012, 06:37:37 AM »
IIRC Xvesa is Xorg, just slimmed down to the basics.

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Re: Xvesa old IBM Thinkpads with the Neomagic
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2012, 07:10:19 AM »

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Re: Xvesa old IBM Thinkpads with the Neomagic
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2012, 11:18:41 AM »
Thanks, tried the framebuffer FAQ solution which seemed to work but got

failed in waitforX

from startx after installing Xfbdev.

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Re: Xvesa old IBM Thinkpads with the Neomagic
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2012, 12:01:50 PM »
Hi slkpg
Type  cat .xsession  (note the leading period)
Execute the first line but omit the part that reads   >/dev/null
See what errors if any it reports and post them.

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Re: Xvesa old IBM Thinkpads with the Neomagic
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2012, 12:45:06 PM »
Nothing but blank green screen. Looks wrong though because it is still the Xvesa command. Xfbdev is installed, if I redo it, it says already installed. Do I need to manually change .xsession? TC works fine on all my other old boxes. Not a complete newbie, cut my teeth on a unix mini in the mid 80's, switched to a PC and never looked back.

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Re: Xvesa old IBM Thinkpads with the Neomagic
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2012, 05:26:20 PM »
Hi slkpg
Not sure how to proceed from here, maybe someone else has some ideas?
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Re: Xvesa old IBM Thinkpads with the Neomagic
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2012, 06:01:57 PM »
Thanks for your help. With fbset, I get /dev/fb0: no such device, which looks like a problem. When I put the Xfbdev command in .xsession without err redirect as you suggested, I get nothing more than "failed in waitforX."


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Re: Xvesa old IBM Thinkpads with the Neomagic
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2012, 07:18:58 PM »
As the FAQ points out: You'll need a suitable boot code of 'vga=...' for the framebuffer to work. If you initially don't know a numerical value that works for your system try 'vga=ask' (and hit 'ENTER' when asked, to see your options).

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Re: Xvesa old IBM Thinkpads with the Neomagic
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2012, 07:57:21 AM »
Bingo, thanks.

Is there a white paper or other pub summarizing the TC internals. If not, should be published, it is truly a new linux. Puppy and some others are very nice, but TC is elegant.

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Re: Xvesa old IBM Thinkpads with the Neomagic
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2012, 09:10:22 AM »
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Much of the art and magic of Core is embodied in shell scripts where it is accessible for study.

In addition to learning a bunch about Core, you'll also likely pick up some interesting scripting techniques.  Start with /etc/init.d/tc-config and don't worry too much if you don't understand every detail (*) - it prints out to eleven pages but a high level summary (my notes on it) doesn't take even a whole page.  Many of the other scripts in Core are worth a good long look as well.  I know it sounds like I'm saying, "Just read the code", but really that -is- the best starting point (after the forums and wiki, of course).

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Re: Xvesa old IBM Thinkpads with the Neomagic
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2012, 09:13:15 AM »
Perhaps the distrowatch interview?

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090323

The intro docs also go over the base architecture (intro and core concepts on the main page).
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Re: Xvesa old IBM Thinkpads with the Neomagic
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2012, 02:46:29 PM »
Thanks for the pointers. I have read most of it before, not much of the code though, do not like script syntax, I am a C programmer. Reread the interview, my reason for trying TC was the same feeling of why have alot of stuff I do not ever use. Two other separate issues:

Documentation: It is all there, but scattered, to borrow a term. What would be nice, and fairly easy is just a list of the script names with a couple words on the functionality. Would have saved me searching the forum to finally find "filelist.sh".

Publication: If you have the time I think it is worth a refereed article. High level design mostly, with some detail and reasoning. This might catapult TC out of the crowded pack. People should find out that they do not need 5 CDs to install a good OS.

Thanks to all for TC.

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Re: Xvesa old IBM Thinkpads with the Neomagic
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2012, 02:49:54 PM »
The wiki is user contributed.  If you think something is needed then you add it.