Tiny Core Linux

Off-Topic => Archive / Obsolete => Starter Packs => Topic started by: danielibarnes on May 11, 2011, 02:10:12 PM

Title: Prepack index
Post by: danielibarnes on May 11, 2011, 02:10:12 PM
Users need to the ability to:
1) Know they need a "prepack" to accomplish their particular goal, and
2) Know which one they need.

The tc-install prepack is documented in the readme, but a formal index file of some sort and a walk-through would be helpful for new users. For example, when someone visits the home page (http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/) for the first time with the intent of installing Tiny Core, how can they determine they need this prepack and find out what to do with it?
Title: Re: Prepack index
Post by: Guy on May 12, 2011, 11:34:32 AM
Minor changes can be made to the installation guides in the wiki to explain how to use the tc-install prepack.

However, if a person goes to the home page, and clicks on Installation, they don't go to the wiki index. I think this link should be redirected so it goes to the wiki index. Now that the installer has been improved, using it is the easiest way to install Tiny Core.

If the team wants to use information from the wiki to update the official installation guide, that is another option.


As for nettools, again, have a well documented explanation of how to use it in the wiki.
Title: Re: Prepack index
Post by: roberts on May 12, 2011, 12:16:03 PM
OK. Good idea. Please post specific Wiki links here. I then will update webpage.
And many thanks for your contributions!
Title: Re: Prepack index
Post by: Guy on May 12, 2011, 01:13:36 PM
It is probably best to go to the wiki index, as there are many different pages on installation, and they are at the top of the index.

http://wiki.tinycorelinux.net/

or

http://wiki.tinycorelinux.net/wiki:start

If you think it should be done differently, let me know.

There is an Installation link on all of the pages of the main website. They should all be updated.
Title: Re: Prepack index
Post by: roberts on May 12, 2011, 05:57:03 PM
We already have a link to the Wiki on all web pages and forum.
What I would be looking for is detailed instructions on how to use the prepack as a recommended way to install Tiny Core for a new user.

Same would need to be done for configuring undetected net access devices, i.e., specifically using the prepack.

Probably best to post link here first. Get feedback and perform updates before official web pages link to them.
Title: Re: Prepack index
Post by: beerstein on May 13, 2011, 05:45:27 PM
sorry for asking this question - but I do not know what a "prepack" is?

Is it something  like an extension?

What is the difference between an extension and a prepack?

Is there an example for, when do I need a prepack?

Thank you so much for help.
Title: Re: Prepack index
Post by: Guy on May 13, 2011, 06:40:23 PM
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What is the difference between an extension and a prepack?

In the past, to install Tiny Core, it was necessary to install a number of extensions. To make is simple these extensions have all been combined into one prepack, so you only need to download and install one thing. The prepack may also include the script used for installation.

The same thing with wireless internet. The extensions needed for wireless internet have been included into one prepack.

At the present time, you have two options, you can install all of the extensions, like you did in the past, or you can install just the prepack. It is up to you.

If you use the prepack, it goes in the tce directory, not /tce/optional.

To load a prepack, restart the computer.
Title: Re: Prepack index
Post by: roberts on May 13, 2011, 07:17:45 PM
One would only need a prepack if they are experiencing difficulty with inital network setup.
Because some users have such initial network issues they will be unable to perform an installation via the official Tiny Core installation program.

Therefore if you have difficulties in the initial network setup you will benefit from a prepack.
If you already have internet access then you can ignore prepacks.

Prepacks can be used with current releases of Tiny Core as stated in the announcement.
Starting with v3.7 additional options will be available.

Again, if you already have net access you will not need a prepack.
Title: Re: Prepack index
Post by: Guy on May 13, 2011, 07:35:29 PM
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Please post specific Wiki links here. I then will update webpage.

There are a number of different pages about installation. I suggest putting a link to this page.

http://wiki.tinycorelinux.net/wiki:install

Where relevant, these pages have info about the prepacks. I have included both options - prepacks or extensions. Some pages don't have info about the prepacks.

It seems when 3.7 comes out, these pages will need updating again.
Title: Re: Prepack index
Post by: tinypoodle on May 13, 2011, 11:02:26 PM
The same thing with wireless internet. The extensions needed for wireless internet have been included into one prepack.

Same for wired ethernet (firmware).
Title: Re: Prepack index
Post by: floppy on May 14, 2011, 01:24:42 AM
from my small installing history (still not finish with ALSA..), I think following Prepacks would have helped few months ago:
- wired
- wireless (ndiswrapper, wicd..)
- communication and exchanges (opera, links, midhight commander for ftp)
- hardware audit and setup (lspci, lshw, hdparm, gparted,..)
- office tiny (flume, gnumeric, leafpad, epdfview)
After the knowledge is growing and most of things works, I would keep only the extensions I know and which are good to me..
Title: Re: Prepack index
Post by: roberts on May 14, 2011, 11:31:12 AM
Once net access is achieved it is much more efficient to use existing tczs.
Don't expect a plethora of permutations and combinations to be offered.
We have a specific goal.
Title: Re: Prepack index
Post by: floppy on May 14, 2011, 01:52:17 PM
Once net access is achieved it is much more efficient to use existing tczs.
Don't expect a plethora of permutations and combinations to be offered.
We have a specific goal.
yes.
I was just thinking how to make a bigger "HHHUURRAAHH" effect on consumers.
I can make fire with a fire-stone.. but making fire with a BIC-lighter is quicker.
Title: Re: Prepack index
Post by: beerstein on May 14, 2011, 06:48:48 PM
Thank yo for this - now I know more.

I remember that there is a c-language package also in the repo. Needed to compile source code.
Is this a "prepack" too?

So when I download a prepack it sits in my /tce on sda1 for instance. Can I just copy it over
to another TC system on another machine and use it there?

Will it automatically be installed during reboot?

Would it make sense to make a prepack for "php, mysql and lightpd" for instance?

Are there instructions some where on how to do something like this?

Title: Re: Prepack index
Post by: curaga on May 15, 2011, 12:42:40 AM
Thank yo for this - now I know more.

I remember that there is a c-language package also in the repo. Needed to compile source code.
Is this a "prepack" too?

compiletc is a meta-extension - it depends on all the necessary extensions. A prepack would be a combined extension instead, like compiletc was in the TC 1.x days.

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So when I download a prepack it sits in my /tce on sda1 for instance. Can I just copy it over
to another TC system on another machine and use it there?

Will it automatically be installed during reboot?

Yes and yes.

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Would it make sense to make a prepack for "php, mysql and lightpd" for instance?

Are there instructions some where on how to do something like this?

Not really, as Robert said, once you have initial internet access, you can just "tce-load -wi php mysql lighttpd" (untested command, extension names may differ).

For combining extensions, I think there is some info on the wiki and forum, but I don't think there has been a specific howto for that yet.
Title: Re: Prepack index
Post by: roberts on May 15, 2011, 09:15:12 AM
I don't think you would want to combine extensions as that would surely break any update capability.
Title: Re: Prepack index
Post by: roberts on May 15, 2011, 09:21:58 AM
I don't think an index will be necessary as their scope is quite targeted and therefore will be obvious.
I have renamed them from generic prepacks to starter packs as it better conveys intended use.
Their genesis was in response to difficult initial network setup. Other distributions also offer such.
Title: Re: Prepack index
Post by: genec on May 15, 2011, 11:05:11 AM
Has there been thought to include select starter packs (especially the nettools starter pack) into the TC ISO?  perhaps a second ISO that has the starter pack?  All Syslinux variants have no issue with loading multiple independent files as initrd files (I use this all the time).  Default the boot to no nettools but mention it in boot/isolinux/boot.msg and perhaps make it an easy to type LABEL like "tcn".  This would be a great ready-to-use solution for those that have wireless-only or problematic wired network cards (ie firmware) in order to get online and fetch other regular extensions.
Title: Re: Prepack index
Post by: roberts on May 15, 2011, 01:03:04 PM
Acknowledged as was previous posted here: http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=9586.0

Let's cross that bridge once the bridge is built. I want to have some testing on content before such would be considered to embedded in an iso.

Look for updates to wireless and firmware, nettools.gz, soon. I also think that v3.7rc should be out and tested before the dust will settle and final decisions be made on starter packs in combination with the release of 3.7.