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General TC => General TC Talk => Topic started by: alu on March 21, 2011, 07:09:49 AM

Title: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: alu on March 21, 2011, 07:09:49 AM
i have noticed that we don't have a 'search' button in the forum anymore
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: bmarkus on March 21, 2011, 07:43:11 AM
i have noticed that we don't have a 'search' button in the forum anymore

Hm... There is the SEARCH button, at least on my screen.
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: aplannan on March 21, 2011, 07:53:48 AM
I am using dwb as a browser and also do not see the search button
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: jconnor on March 21, 2011, 07:55:47 AM
Using Firefox in Ubuntu and also no longer see the search button.
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: bmarkus on March 21, 2011, 08:06:56 AM
See:

(http://tc.hasix.org/scrcap/tcsb1.png)
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: robalan on March 21, 2011, 09:14:58 AM
I changed the theme and now have a search box, but I'm clearly not supposed to, since if I try to use it it tells me "You are not allowed to search for posts in this forum."

The lack of search means people looking for answers are going to start posting lots of duplicate threads, but if that's what the moderators are after I'm glad to oblige.

[EDIT] Or I could read the other thread about the missing search function and see that there is a legitimate reason for it.  Nevermind! [/EDIT]
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: Juanito on March 21, 2011, 09:26:11 AM
i have noticed that we don't have a 'search' button in the forum anymore

It's there (and works) for me?!
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: bmarkus on March 21, 2011, 09:30:22 AM
Id doesn't work:

"You are not allowed to search for posts in this forum. "

But the button is there. It was the original question :)
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: roberts on March 21, 2011, 09:33:55 AM
It was removed for all but administrators and even then time restricted, As I stated before our account was disabled immediately after the Bluehost move. It would appear that we are out growing our welcome with this provider. A search has begun for alternate hosting that can accommodate our needs. Until such time use Google search as was previously posted here: http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=9025.msg49050#msg49050
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: bmarkus on March 21, 2011, 09:43:32 AM
It was removed for all but administrators and even then time restricted, As I stated before our account was disabled immediately after the Bluehost move. It would appear that we are out growing our welcome with this provider. A search has begun for alternate hosting that can accommodate our needs. Until such time use Google search as was previously posted here: http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php?topic=9025.msg49050#msg49050

Robert,

I would appreciate an explanation why disabling was necessary. I'm running an SMF Forum since cca. 2005 with 1100 registered users at the moment and nearly same load without any problems.

Actually it is hosted at Godaddy for less the 10 bucks a month. I'm satisfied with them.
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: roberts on March 21, 2011, 09:53:09 AM
I cannot answer your question. We, the team, were literally shocked and very dismayed by the actions taken against us. We are using their recommended forum software. Their action, take down and require negotiation to be turned back on, or leave. We had two choices, removed all of our stuff and immediately leave, they gave us 10 days to remove everything, or accept the removal/restriction of search. Our course we cannot immediately leave. Not happy, especially with how things have been going so far in 2011. Ibiblio's moved impacted our operations from 11 Jan to 15 March, followed immediately by Bluehost scheduled move, downtime, followed by their take down of site tinycorelinux. The extra stress on me is taking its toll. Now to find someplace were we will be welcomed is another extra burden.
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: bmarkus on March 21, 2011, 10:21:20 AM
Thanks for the background. Hard to understand why a service provider is behaving on this way on a really competitive market especially without communication and explaining why such action is necessary. If there is a good reason you can always discuss it with your client and find a solution jointly.

I moved my SMF several times to new machine, new provider including to my home server as a temporary solution. It is fast and safe, you can do that from scratch in few hours. The only issue is which can cause problem at the beginning that you have to edit manually few directory entries manually regarding templates, but otherwise it is straight and easy to manage. During moves I have never lost data and I have still posts from 2003 when I used Invisible before SMF :)

The best is to make immediate backup of the SQL database and files before provider restricts access to be on the safe side and do it one or two times a day before moving. If you have access to tinycorelinux.com DNS control, it is an easy and risk-free job.

Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: beerstein on March 21, 2011, 10:41:52 AM
HI: Do you have a list of prospective replacemnet providers?

Do you want me to give a recommendation?

There are so many good providers out there, but they are not easy to find.
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: bmarkus on March 21, 2011, 10:53:37 AM
HI: Do you have a list of prospective replacemnet providers?

Do you want me to give a recommendation?

There are so many good providers out there, but they are not easy to find.

SMF need just a typical LAMP environment, no any special toy. Technically you can run it anywhere.
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: beerstein on March 21, 2011, 11:11:53 AM
Hi: I think the most important aspect is that roberts  finds a relieable hosting co with a good track record.


Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: roberts on March 21, 2011, 01:39:14 PM
I have two team members looking into possible alternatives.
Other recommendations are always welcomed.
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: HawkH23 on March 21, 2011, 02:46:24 PM
Although they did have a blip in the last two weeks, I've been very happy with Dreamhost for four years. I have unlimited bandwidth, disk space, users, emails, domains, etc. with them. Very reliable and fast. I'm not doing anything like the kind of volume I expect this site is getting but I have a hard time imagining it wouldn't work. The shared server I am on is an 8-core Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU X3440  @ 2.53GHz with 16GB of RAM. (I could also get a little referral bonus if you use a code I give you, but that's neither required nor my motivation for recommending. Just full disclosure.)
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: vinnie on March 21, 2011, 07:22:44 PM
I do not know provider from personal experience  (I could say tuxfamily just to not stay ot),  but really I just wanted to communicate my disappointment at what is happening.
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: Guy on March 21, 2011, 07:57:37 PM
Are you looking for a free host, or are you considering paying?

The free hosts I have used, I have found to be very unreliable. They promote it as free, as it gets a lot more publicity, but they want you to change to a paid plan. If you stay with the free plan, they continually cause problems with the website. At least some of them do this intentionally. It is blatant dishonesty. I would not use any of the hosts that have both free and paid hosting again, because it is false advertising. (Maybe there are good ones, but not the ones I have used.)

You probably need to look for low cost paid hosting.

Tiny Core has a policy of not taking donations. Why not make it possible for those who want to, to donate? Then you can afford to pay for hosting.
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: tinypoodle on March 21, 2011, 08:36:20 PM
Are you looking for a free host, or are you considering paying?

The free hosts I have used, I have found to be very unreliable. They promote it as free, as it gets a lot more publicity, but they want you to change to a paid plan. If you stay with the free plan, they continually cause problems with the website. At least some of them do this intentionally. It is blatant dishonesty. I would not use any of the hosts that have both free and paid hosting again, because it is false advertising. (Maybe there are good ones, but not the ones I have used.)

You probably need to look for low cost paid hosting.

Unfortunately what you state often applies to some degree to low cost paid hosting with the term "Unlimited" as well.

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Tiny Core has a policy of not taking donations. Why not make it possible for those who want to, to donate? Then you can afford to pay for hosting.

FWIW, while the site had been taken off there were spontaneous offers of users on TC's IRC channel.
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: Guy on March 21, 2011, 08:42:25 PM
I have no idea how much disk space Tiny Core uses.

I also don't know which providers you are considering, or what they cost.

I have also not compared the prices of web hosting lately.

Consider http://webnet77.com/. I have found them to be very good and very reliable.

http://webnet77.com/ is run from South Africa. However, the server is in the United States.

They promote Christian web hosting. They will host things unrelated to Christianity. I went with them, because of the price, and I figured Christians are less likely to cheat you (theoretically). There are so many dishonest people on the internet.

Most of the plans now have unmetered bandwidth.

If the existing plans don't suit you, I would talk to them about your needs, and ask what it would cost.

If you find something better, good luck.
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: roberts on March 21, 2011, 08:56:37 PM
Thanks for suggestions.

FWIW I have been paying for our hosting. I have not wanted to accept donations, as that would entail setting up a business, taxes, forms, et al. Besides Tiny Core is larger than me, larger than the team, We have an active community all contributing code, extensions, documentation, and forum posts. We are a community.

Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: Michael Wells on March 22, 2011, 08:34:37 AM
Just out of curiosity ... if it would not be inappropriate to ask ... how much bandwidth does this community consume on a monthly basis? 
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: roberts on March 22, 2011, 08:48:17 AM
Last full month, Feb 2011, 45.8GB
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: thane on March 22, 2011, 11:06:34 AM
FYI, the News section of the main page is blank in IE on my office Windows box (it has content in FF on my TCL box at home though).
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: Lee on March 22, 2011, 11:12:35 AM
IMHO, It is the people and policies that distinguish between hosting providers.

My personal web pages (nothing special from a technical point of view) are hosted on Virtual Avenue (virtualave.net).  When I started with them several years ago, they provided a free service, funded by banner ads at the top of each served page.  When that business model failed, they offered some discounts on their ad-less service which I took advantage of because I had been satisfied with their service.

Some of my work related web sites are hosted on Easy CGI (easycgi.com) under one of their higher-end hosting plans and I have been seriously under-satisfied with their service.

These two providers seem to use identical technologies - close enough that I initially questioned if they are really the same company with different skins on their home pages - yet, after a bit of experience with both, I see that their service is worlds apart in terms of both support and up time.


Might I ask who is the current hosting provider for tinycorelinux.com?
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: tinypoodle on March 22, 2011, 10:36:44 PM
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traceroute tinycorelinux.com ;)
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: roberts on March 22, 2011, 11:25:57 PM
Bluehost
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: bmarkus on March 23, 2011, 12:01:07 AM
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traceroute tinycorelinux.com ;)

More precisely first you need to know IP address of host. Ping for example is enough:

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[root@zero ~]# ping tinycorelinux.com
PING tinycorelinux.com (69.89.31.92) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from box292.bluehost.com (69.89.31.92): icmp_seq=1 ttl=46 time=175 ms
64 bytes from box292.bluehost.com (69.89.31.92): icmp_seq=2 ttl=46 time=176 ms

I'm in Europe while host is in US, so 176 ms is an average typical value.

Next use

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[root@zero ~]# whois 69.89.31.92

Result is:


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# The following results may also be obtained via:
# http://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=69.89.31.92?showDetails=true&showARIN=false
#

NetRange:       69.89.16.0 - 69.89.31.255
CIDR:           69.89.16.0/20
OriginAS:       AS11798
NetName:        BLUEHOST-NETWORK-1
NetHandle:      NET-69-89-16-0-1
Parent:         NET-69-0-0-0-0
NetType:        Direct Allocation
RegDate:        2006-10-02
Updated:        2007-11-02
Ref:            http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-69-89-16-0-1


OrgName:        Bluehost Inc.
OrgId:          BLUEH-2
Address:        1958 South 950 East
City:           Provo
StateProv:      UT
PostalCode:     84606
Country:        US
RegDate:        2006-08-08
Updated:        2009-07-13
Ref:            http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/BLUEH-2

OrgTechHandle: NETWO2081-ARIN
OrgTechName:   Network Operations
OrgTechPhone:  +1-801-765-9400
OrgTechEmail:  netops@bluehost.com
OrgTechRef:    http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NETWO2081-ARIN


Now you have the administrative information on, but server may be anywhere around the Globe. Use an IP to GEO database like MaxMind's online lookup you see that server in fact is in CA, San Bernardio :)

Just for case if you want to know info on others or to learn how easy to collect info based on simple ping :)
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: tinypoodle on March 23, 2011, 12:17:32 AM
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traceroute tinycorelinux.com ;)

More precisely first you need to know IP address of host. Ping for example is enough:

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[root@zero ~]# ping tinycorelinux.com
PING tinycorelinux.com (69.89.31.92) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from box292.bluehost.com (69.89.31.92): icmp_seq=1 ttl=46 time=175 ms
64 bytes from box292.bluehost.com (69.89.31.92): icmp_seq=2 ttl=46 time=176 ms

Well, 'traceroute' does the DNS lookup (like ping would) and shows in the end the name of the hosting provider, all-in-one   ;)

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[root@zero ~]# whois 69.89.31.92

I refrained from mentioning 'whois' - which would indeed be the appropriate tool for given purpose - simply because it is not included in TC base.
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: curaga on March 23, 2011, 04:08:29 AM
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I refrained from mentioning 'whois' - which would indeed be the appropriate tool for given purpose - simply because it is not included in TC base.

It might be later, busybox has a whois applet now.
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: bmarkus on March 23, 2011, 04:44:33 AM

I refrained from mentioning 'whois' - which would indeed be the appropriate tool for given purpose - simply because it is not included in TC base.


It is in the repository and only 37k. TC is about modulararity.
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: maluvia on March 23, 2011, 05:54:56 AM
Sorry to hear of all the troubles. As if the ibiblio screwup were not bad enough :(

FWIW, I would highly recommend HostGator.
We have been using their BabyCroc plan for years and are very happy with their service.
For $10/mo you get unlimited disk space and unlimited bandwidth.

I suppose it's in their TOS somewhere that they can restrict bandwidth in certain extreme cases that they feel are negatively impacting the service for others, but I don't believe you would fall into that category.

So far they have been a great provider - you should give them a try.
Good Luck!
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: mpayne on July 04, 2011, 02:31:50 AM
Sorry Maluvia but I can't agree with that. I was gravelly disappointed by them and switched hosts in the end as they couldn't provide what I wanted. I am now with IX webhosting (http://www.ixwebhosting.com/) and they are much better accommodating to what I need.
Title: Re: 'search' button in the forum
Post by: hiro on July 04, 2011, 05:39:02 AM
This is 4 months old, mpayne!