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Title: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: roberts on October 03, 2009, 09:10:14 PM
The Fourth Release Candidate of v2.4 (tinycore_2.4rc4.iso), is now posted and ready for testing.
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/tinycorelinux/2.x/release_candidates/

Change log for v2.4 Release Candidate 4
* Fixed free loop after copy to filesystem (ram).
* Show extension load errors during boot procedure.
* Fixed doubling of tcz2ran.lst
* Fixed 'base norestore noicons' = no menu update.
* New showapps boot code to display extension names while booting.
* Added a wait $fstab_pid before tce access.
* Updated flwm v1.12 more hotkeys, Ctrl Alt m = max, v = vertical, and h = horizontal
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: jpeters on October 03, 2009, 10:31:17 PM
cpio working now, although it struggled...it had to go through the process twice for some reason.  Thanks.
I've had problems with gnu commands before, like 'grep'  that did one thing from a console and another from an ash script.

edit:  just noticed "showapps"......THANKS!!!
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: jpeters on October 03, 2009, 11:15:03 PM
Funny...just ran with "showapps" and all these extensions complained about not being able to find grep.tcz.
I must have unconsciously uninstalled it, after a round of problems. (BTW/ wouldn't have caught that with rotdash..)
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: meo on October 04, 2009, 01:52:19 AM
Hi Robert!

It seems that you and the tinycore team have done it again. As far as I can see this new cut runs without any problems. It runs quick and smooth on my old laptop. Thanks a lot!

Have fun developing tinycore further,
meo
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: jpeters on October 04, 2009, 03:14:46 AM
Hi Robert!

It seems that you and the tinycore team have done it again. As far as I can see this new cut runs without any problems. It runs quick and smooth on my old laptop. Thanks a lot!

Have fun developing tinycore further,
meo

definitely....a round of applause....way beyond the call
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: bmarkus on October 04, 2009, 03:26:12 AM
Robert,

installation problems are gone, 2.4rc4 works perfectly here. I built my development and daily work environment on rc4 and looks OK. Till now I used 2.1

A great job!
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: bigpcman on October 04, 2009, 09:16:38 AM
Another great release. Seems to run fine on vista qemu.Thanks Robert and team tinycore.

I noticed that the showapps lists "/usr/bin/xterm" ; just wondering why?

(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5408/capturehp.jpg)
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: gerald_clark on October 04, 2009, 09:25:05 AM
When booting, there is a newline missing after
Loading Tiny Core Applications Extensions...
When showapps is not set.
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: roberts on October 04, 2009, 10:06:21 AM
Another great release. Seems to run fine on vista qemu.Thanks Robert and team tinycore.

I noticed that the showapps lists "/usr/bin/xterm" ; just wondering why?

(http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5408/capturehp.jpg)

Likely a startup script. You can look in the non-zero length files in /usr/local/tce.installed.
Many times a qrep might need a -q option, or standout directed to /dev/null or some such.
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: roberts on October 04, 2009, 10:17:05 AM
Thanks for the kind words and encouragement, very much appreciated. This release candidate cycle has indeed been challenging. Some burning of the midnight oil. Perhaps I am now close to final 2.4.
I want all to know that I truly appreciate those who have the interest, take the time, and the effort, to help test early releases. Your efforts and feedback play a very important role in making the final release solid. So many thanks!
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: Jason W on October 04, 2009, 10:21:51 AM
Bigpcman - that is the emelfm2 startup script creating a symlink.  There are several of my startup scripts that echo to the screen instead of being redirected to /dev/null, Wmaker being another.  I will fix those by piping to /dev/null or using a quiet option in the commands being issued.
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: bigpcman on October 04, 2009, 11:55:21 AM
Thanks Jason for the explanation.

I'm wondering if anyone else has seen an increase in boot time? This release 2.4rc4 takes 25% longer to boot than 2.4rc3 on vista qemu.

See my previous screen shot for extensions and boot codes.
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: roberts on October 04, 2009, 01:37:41 PM
Funny...just ran with "showapps" and all these extensions complained about not being able to find grep.tcz.
I must have unconsciously uninstalled it, after a round of problems. (BTW/ wouldn't have caught that with rotdash..)

I have been adding more error reporting with the default rotdash clean boot. A missing dependency is now shown in the next cut
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: roberts on October 04, 2009, 01:42:26 PM
Thanks Jason for the explanation.

I'm wondering if anyone else has seen an increase in boot time? This release 2.4rc4 takes 25% longer to boot than 2.4rc3 on vista qemu.

See my previous screen shot for extensions and boot codes.
I have no interest in direct support of Qemu/Windows and such.
However, it only makes sense that intregrity checking and enhanced error reporting come at a cost. Although, I don't believe it is 25%. A previous post seemd to suggest the contrary and was about the same as current release.
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: bigpcman on October 04, 2009, 01:52:44 PM
Robert I can appreciate your position on qemu and it's no big deal to me either since I only use it for convenient testing of tc. In the event others are interested here are more details on the qemu boot delay. I turned on "loglevel=10" to see what was going on. Booting 2.4rc3 results in:
(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4051/capture2jpg.jpg)

Booting 2.4.rc4 results in:
(http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/5299/capture3oom.jpg)

The extra delay comes right after the squashfs message. It's as if squashfs is hung up on something.

edit: The boot time for 2.4rc4 from an iso cd with no extensions comes in around 38 seconds on my dell 640 about the same as 2.3.1.  So this delay appears to be related to something qemu is having a problem with.
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: perthie on October 04, 2009, 06:40:12 PM
Testing 2.4rc4 from scratch, I was unable to install Flash into Opera. The problem was that the getflash10 installer expects to see the empty folder /usr/local/lib/opera/plugins. This folder was missing from the Opera setup but after I created it manually, Flash would install. I wonder if the new extension loading mechanism does not create empty folders.

Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: roberts on October 04, 2009, 07:10:15 PM
It is not new. This matter is discussed in the .info file.of getFlash.tcz
Quote
Downloads from Adobe.
                Extracts linux libflashplayer.so
                Setup libflashplayer for either Minefield, Firefox, Opera,
      Seamonkey or all four. Also includes compiled libflashsupport.so
      for OSS sound. libflashsupport is licensed under Creative
      Commons Attribution 3.0.
                Finally packages a flash10.tce to add to your tce collection.
.
                NOTE: You must have already downloaded the browser and OSS.
                You must have started the browser at least once!
                You must have OSS started with the sound on menu option.
                Then select getFlash9 from the Apps menu.
.
                If you already have your tce directory setup, then a flash10.tcz
                will be installed there, otherwise it is in /tmp/tce/.  flash10.tcz
      will be loaded upon completion of the getflash script.
.
                CAUTION: Flash10 requires gtk2 which is quite large.
It is always important to read the .info, that is why appbrowser and appbrowser-cli always displays the info file. It contains instructions and/or required environment for the particular extension.
Title: jwm backup behaviour
Post by: JoXo009 on October 05, 2009, 02:38:51 AM
-
I experienced a changed backup behaviour of jwm after installing TC 24rc4. See below.

It seems /home/tc/.jwmrc-tray either isn't backuped or its backup is overwritten with old content.

It's solvable via an .xsession overwrite-entry -  don't know if this is expected behaviour of jwm.

(http://i35.tinypic.com/9bkwgh.png)

(http://i36.tinypic.com/1iicee.png)


Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: jls on October 05, 2009, 02:48:42 AM
appsaudit bug:
I mark for deletion alsa-oss but also alsa is automarked for deletion, why?

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Title: Re: jwm backup behaviour
Post by: roberts on October 05, 2009, 06:06:38 AM
-
I experienced a changed backup behaviour of jwm after installing TC 24rc4. See below.

It seems /home/tc/.jwmrc-tray either isn't backuped or its backup is overwritten with old content.

It's solvable via an .xsession overwrite-entry -  don't know if this is expected behaviour of jwm.

(http://i35.tinypic.com/9bkwgh.png)

(http://i36.tinypic.com/1iicee.png)



This was already discussed and you should be using the jwm.tcz in the release candidate area.
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/tinycorelinux/2.x/release_candidates/microcore/jwm.tcz
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: sci_fi on October 05, 2009, 06:07:34 AM
Good morning:

Duplicate entry in main pulldown menu:

Perhaps reported already.

Right clicking on the background yields a pulldown menu with various applications, etc. In 2.4rc4 I see two entries for "Refresh Menu", as follows:

Refresh Menu
Refresh_Menu

I re-checked vs rc3. Did not happen in rc3.

Best regards,

sci_fi
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: roberts on October 05, 2009, 06:16:16 AM
Not a duplicate. Delete the one with the space. It is not needed and it is not in /etc/skel.
It, the one with the space, persisted as a result of your backup/restore.

I typically don't backup my .wmx directory.
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: jls on October 05, 2009, 06:45:02 AM
if there are no open windows alt+tab doesn't work and if I ctrl+alt+f1 I see:got an escape press in main

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Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: sci_fi on October 05, 2009, 06:47:58 AM
Hi Roberts,

Thanks for the prompt reply. My apologies if I am missing something.

I do not backup /etc/skel/.wmx .  Double checked my .filetool.lst file to be sure. See listing below:

opt/bootlocal.sh
opt/backgrounds
opt/.tcrc
opt/.filetool.lst
opt/.xfiletool.lst
home/tc
##
######## MY STUFF FOLLOWS   #########
##
#### Firmware for wireless
/lib/firmware
##
#### WPA stuff for APT network
etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
##
#### Emelfm2 configuration for root (for tc already saved)
root/.config/emelfm2
##
##### Save and restorebig cursor
usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/cursor.pcf.gz
##
#### Save and restore alsa settings
/etc/asound.state



I am booting tc4rc3 and then rebooting tc4rc4 with exactly the same mydata.tgz file.  I am not doing a backup between the boots. The only thing that changed is the rc version.  The rc3 boot shows one entry as described above. The rc4 boot shows two.  Is there another file I am saving that contains the extra entry?

Sorry if I am missing something basic.

Best regards,

sci_fi





Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: jls on October 05, 2009, 06:52:15 AM
.wmx is also in /home/tc
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: roberts on October 05, 2009, 07:02:09 AM
Because everything under home/tc is in the backup.

I have in /opt/.xfiletool.lst

home/tc/.wmx
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: sci_fi on October 05, 2009, 07:05:10 AM
Thank you, roberts and jls. Sorry for the confusion. I did not know there is a .wmx directory in /home/tc. I appreciate your help.

Best regards,

sci_fi
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: jls on October 05, 2009, 07:12:22 AM
when I open a menu for example in shiretoko or xfe the I click in the window title the window gets resized or moved

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Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: roberts on October 05, 2009, 07:15:43 AM
Thank you, roberts and jls. Sorry for the confusion. I did not know there is a .wmx directory in /home/tc. I appreciate your help.

Best regards,

sci_fi
Your feedback helps. I need to mention this in the release notes.
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: roberts on October 05, 2009, 07:17:11 AM
when I open a menu for example in shiretoko or xfe the I click in the window title the window gets resized or moved


abolish prisons
Does it happen when using an alternate window manager?
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: jls on October 05, 2009, 07:54:55 AM
when I open a menu for example in shiretoko or xfe the I click in the window title the window gets resized or moved


abolish prisons
Does it happen when using an alternate window manager?
no, it doesn't
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: roberts on October 05, 2009, 08:50:41 AM
That is why we offer so many other window managers. ::)
Likely there will always be some apps that don't know how to talk to a particular window manager.
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: perthie on October 05, 2009, 09:27:38 AM
It is always important to read the .info.

Fair enough. Let's try again.

1. Install and test run OSS.
2. Install and test run Opera.
3. Verify that the folder /usr/local/lib/opera/plugins exists. It does not, even though it is present in the opera.tcz package.
4. Install and run getFlash10. The wget operation completes.
5. Verify that libflashplayer.so has been installed in the Opera plugins folder. It has not. Because the getflash10 script could not find the missing folder, it assumed that Opera was not even installed.
6. Run Opera and go to Youtube. Opera complains that Flash is not installed. Of course.
7. Check the contents of the new flash10.tce extension. All it contains is libflashsupport.so. (Hmm. The getflash10 .info claims that this should be a tcz package. No matter.)
8. Manually create the missing plugins folder.
9. Run getFlash10 again.
10. Check for libflashplayer.so. Now it has been installed.
11. Run Opera. Now Flash works.
12. Check flash10.tce. Now it contains libflashplayer.so.
13. Reboot and check Opera. Flash still works because the flash10.tce extension provides the missing folder when it is installed.
14. Make a dummy extension that contains an empty folder.
15. Install it and check for the empty folder. It is missing.

If this is still a case of RTFM, I apologize. But it sure looks like a bug to me.
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: roberts on October 05, 2009, 09:59:03 AM
Then it would seem to be appropriate to post such in the extension area not in the release candidate area.
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: roberts on October 05, 2009, 10:41:14 AM
when I open a menu for example in shiretoko or xfe the I click in the window title the window gets resized or moved


abolish prisons
You must be using top_side as using classic you would have to go out of your way to do such.
I will pass along to Mike.
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: MikeLockmoore on October 05, 2009, 06:58:51 PM
legalize, roberts:  I'm fairly sure I've noticed this titlebar behavior before... but it has not been happening consistently enough for me to troubleshoot it.  Not yet anyway.  If anyone can come up with a reliable way of reproducing the bug, it would help me find and remove this inconsistency.
--
Mike L.
Title: Re: tinycore_2.4rc4
Post by: curaga on October 06, 2009, 02:42:47 AM
perthie: a case of a missing temp file in the tcz version. Tce unaffected, tcz now fixed.