Tiny Core Linux
Tiny Core Base => TCB Talk => Topic started by: lmart on July 29, 2016, 04:53:12 PM
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Attempting to boot TinyCore-7.2 on an Acer Netbook, via PendriveLinux YUMI.
It only boots to terminal. How/What can I troubleshoot to find out what is preventing it from booting to the windows manager?
Netbook specifics follow:
Processor 2x Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N455 @ 1.66GHz
Memory 1022MB
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
Input Devices
PC Speaker
AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
PS/2 Logitech Wheel Mouse
Power Button
Sleep Button
Lid Switch
Power Button
Video Bus
Printers None connected
SCSI Disks ATA WDC
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You don't mention which graphics chipset you have nor whether you're trying to use Xvesa, Xfbdev or Xorg-7.7.
Assuming Xvesa: $ tce-load -i Xvesa Xprogs flwm aterm wbar
$ xsetup.sh
$ startx
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Also, please use a supported installer. Third-party installers may not work.
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Juanito :: Thanks. I will run a check on the graphic chipset and let you know.
curaga :: Thanks. What supported installer do you recommend?
I originally used core2usb-1.6 to create the usb. core2usb-1.6 is the only version I could find.
I formatted a usb to Fat32, but core2usb balked stating the usb was not empty. It was empty. So, I purchased a new usb, deleted the stuff on the usb and ran core2usb again. Same reply from core2usb. Reformatted the usb and same reply from core2usb, so I abandoned it and tried YUMI.
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Juanito:
#1 My only expectation for graphical desktop environment is (http://tinycorelinux.net/downloads.html); "TinyCore is the recommended option for new users who have a wired network connection. It includes the base Core system plus X/GUI extensions for a dynamic FLTK/FLWM graphical desktop environment."
#2 lspci | grep VGA
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller
#3 I likely asked my original question incorrectly.
TinyCore should boot into a graphical desktop environment. It didn't. I tried the YUMI usb on 2 other computers. Both booted into the desktop. So, something did not work correctly when booting on the Netbook.
How would I troubleshoot to find out exactly what didn't work correctly?
Then, how would I go about fixing it?
Many thanks.
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curaga :: Thanks. What supported installer do you recommend?
I originally used core2usb-1.6 to create the usb. core2usb-1.6 is the only version I could find.
I formatted a usb to Fat32, but core2usb balked stating the usb was not empty. It was empty. So, I purchased a new usb, deleted the stuff on the usb and ran core2usb again. Same reply from core2usb. Reformatted the usb and same reply from core2usb, so I abandoned it and tried YUMI.
This is the main TC installer available form the TinycorePlus ISO
http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/install.html (http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/install.html)
Also "How to use pendrives and other removable devices with Tiny Core? from
http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/faq.html#bootcodes (http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/faq.html#bootcodes)
Or the easiest to follow install guide (Chapter 2), plus important info regarding USB read Section 1.4
http://tinycorelinux.net/corebook.pdf (http://tinycorelinux.net/corebook.pdf)
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coreplayer2 :: Thanks. Will cull through the info shortly. After reading several posts, I came across the recommendation for core2usb. I followed the instructions at https://sourceforge.net/p/core2usb/wiki/Home/
Usage
Its usage is easy and straight forward.
Format target USB drive for FAT (FAT16 or FAT32 depending on system and size) making sure there is enough free space for system. Add extra free space if /tce directory is created to store downloaded extensions and backup on the same USB.
Download ISO file you want to install.
Start installer.
Select ISO file.
Select target drive. In the list free and total capacity is indicated. Target drive must be empty.
Click INSTALL button to start installation. It may take some time, please be patient.
Follow installation status at the bottom line.
"I originally used core2usb-1.6 to create the usb. core2usb-1.6 is the only version I could find."
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Unless you have a pressing reason to use a fat filesystem, it would be better to use tc-install and a linux filesystem
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Juanito + curaga + coreplayer2
Many thanks for your replies. With the exception of the book, I read the info coreplay2 provided prior to downloading TinyCore.
A few comments:
Quick & Easy Overview - Tiny Core Linux
http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/overview.html
1. Minimum System Requirements
CPU-i486DX | Yes
RAM-48Mb | Yes
CD Drive | No, CD-less laptop
Wired Internet Connection | Yes
TinyCore CD | No, iso only
Found core2usb and pendrivelinux-YUMI from the query https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=boot+tinycore+from+usb
I followed the core2usb instructions precisely (Fat32). It did not work. Thus my use of YUMI, which worked on 2 different Win10 cd-less laptops, but not my Win10 cd-less NetBook.
With that said, again, I think I asked the wrong question. TinyCore did not boot into a graphical interface, as expected, so How/What can I troubleshoot what went wrong?
Again, thanks.
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Did you try the instructions I gave a few posts ago after "assuming Xvesa"?
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It's quite likely YUMI does something wrong, missing a proper waitusb code, and your netbook's usb is slower than the other two. If core2usb has issues, please use the native installer.
The commands in Juanito's first reply will tell us if this is the case. It most likely is, and that would be why we tell people not to use third-party installers.
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Juanito :
tce-load -i Xvesa Xprogs flwm aterm wbar
Xvesa.tcz not found!
xsetup.sh
xsetup.sh not found
startx
startx not found
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OK, so it looks like your installer did not work fully.
If you have a wired network connection, you can use "tce-load -w Xvesa Xprogs flwm aterm wbar" and then the commands I listed.
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It's quite likely YUMI does something wrong, missing a proper waitusb code, and your netbook's usb is slower than the other two. If core2usb has issues, please use the native installer.
The commands in Juanito's first reply will tell us if this is the case. It most likely is, and that would be why we tell people not to use third-party installers.
thanks, please point me to a url with install directions for creating a boot usb w/o a cd drive.
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OK, so it looks like your installer did not work fully.
If you have a wired network connection, you can use "tce-load -w Xvesa Xprogs flwm aterm wbar" and then the commands I listed.
ok, will try later in a few ... thanks
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Juanito : I was wired into the network.
tce-load -i Xvesa Xprogs flwm aterm wbar
Xvesa.tcz not found!
xsetup.sh
xsetup.sh not found
startx
startx not found
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That's a "-w" not a "-i"
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You may doing like this if you want.
http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,20135.msg125292.html#msg125292
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That's a "-w" not a "-i"
Juanito : I was wired into the network.
tce-load -w Xvesa Xprogs flwm aterm wbar
this command worked
xsetup.sh
xsetup.sh not found
startx
startx not found
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You may doing like this if you want.
http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,20135.msg125292.html#msg125292
thanks, will cull through it, then give it a run after we exhaust what we're working on now
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Hi Might be helpful to show the output of the command "tce-status -i" so we can see what's actually loaded.. if you hadn't done that already..
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coreplayer2 :: Thanks. Will cull through the info shortly. After reading several posts, I came across the recommendation for core2usb. I followed the instructions at https://sourceforge.net/p/core2usb/wiki/Home/
Usage
Its usage is easy and straight forward.
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Yes but it's also not the Official installer (which is provided in tinycoreplus.iso), while core2usb should work there are sometimes fatal issues when reading a blank USB when used in Windows (still to be resolved I guess). Therefore the Official installer is Highly recommended and is the only supported installer and it's also simple to use.. Just follow the instructions in the Core Book.
Unfortunately the most complicated and difficult methods that almost always fail are the ones folks seem to come up with on their own..
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coreplayer2: thanks for your 2 replies
#1 I did post the output of Juanito's command. Want to finish up with Juanito before I try anything else.
#2 I did a quick cull of Chap 2 in the book, which I have yet to read. As I do not have a cd/dvd drive on any of my laptops, it looks like I will have to download the "official installer" from the command line and manually build a usb from the USB-HDD option. Is that how you see things?
With that said, it may help me get an instance of tinycore up and operational. However, I have no idea how to troubleshoot when things go South. Perhaps, that will come with time ...
Again, thanks for your help.
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tce-load -w Xvesa Xprogs flwm aterm wbar
this command worked
Good - "tce-load -w" downloads the extensions
Next you need "tce-load -i" to install them...
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tce-load -w Xvesa Xprogs flwm aterm wbar
this command worked
Good - "tce-load -w" downloads the extensions
Next you need "tce-load -i" to install them...
Juanito, thanks, want to make sure I'm getting things correctly
tce-load -w Xvesa Xprogs flwm aterm wbar - this worked
next commands
tce-load -i Xvesa Xprogs flwm aterm wbar
xsetup.sh
startx
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affirmative :)
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You may doing like this if you want.
http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,20135.msg125292.html#msg125292
patrikg: just finished with Juanito's recommendations. Will now try yours and let you now how things go.
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coreplayer2 :: Thanks. Will cull through the info shortly. After reading several posts, I came across the recommendation for core2usb. I followed the instructions at https://sourceforge.net/p/core2usb/wiki/Home/
Usage
Its usage is easy and straight forward.
..
Yes but it's also not the Official installer (which is provided in tinycoreplus.iso), while core2usb should work there are sometimes fatal issues when reading a blank USB when used in Windows (still to be resolved I guess). Therefore the Official installer is Highly recommended and is the only supported installer and it's also simple to use.. Just follow the instructions in the Core Book.
Unfortunately the most complicated and difficult methods that almost always fail are the ones folks seem to come up with on their own..
coreplayer2: just finished with Juanito's recommendations. Will now try yours and let you now how things go.
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Also, please use a supported installer. Third-party installers may not work.
curaga: just finished, successfully, Juanito' recommendations. core2usb, cited in the book, did not work. Going to try the "official method" shortly.
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tce-load -w Xvesa Xprogs flwm aterm wbar
this command worked
Good - "tce-load -w" downloads the extensions
Next you need "tce-load -i" to install them...
Juanito : your recommendations worked. thanks!
tce-load -i Xvesa Xprogs flwm aterm wbar
tce-load -w Xvesa Xprogs flwm aterm wbar
xsetup.sh
startx
With this behind me, I am going to try the "official installer" and, a recommendation by patrikg.
Need to figure out (1) the proper mouse selection (xsetup.sh) and how to save the system changes or write a .sh for every boot.
Thank you again.
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curaga + coreplayer2
successful unofficially official install
1. Boot TinyCore-7.2 via YUMI usb. (Wish core2usb worked!)
2. Successfully applied Juanito's 4 commands to enable X/GUI. Thanks Juanito!
tce-load -i Xvesa Xprogs flwm aterm wbar
tce-load -w Xvesa Xprogs flwm aterm wbar
xsetup.sh
startx
3. Downloaded the "official installer" (command-line version, tc-install.sh), following prompts.
Now, 2 successful usb installs of TinyCore. However, I have yet to understand how/what to troubleshoot when things go South ... is there some boot log that would tell/help me where things didn't go as they should ...
Now, to try patrikg's method ...