Tiny Core Linux
Off-Topic => Off-Topic - Tiny Tux's Corner => Topic started by: jls on July 31, 2012, 04:10:47 AM
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found in the e-users mailng list:
http://gopollgo.com/what-linux-desktop-do-you-use-currently (http://gopollgo.com/what-linux-desktop-do-you-use-currently)
where is flwm? 8)
Of course I voted for e17
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jwm and lxde under tinycore
kde4 under porteus and suse
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I'v been using fluxbox, and the wbar. It's preety nice looking, and still lightweight. I wonder what the ligetest box style window manager is.
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ubuntu 10.04: lxde
Mint 13: xfce
.. and TinyCore: flwm !
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Tinycore and flwm
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Tinycore + FLWM I frequently try different Window managers but always return to flwm
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~$cat .X.d/start
#!/bin/sh
#bell
xset -b
#fonts
xset +fp /usr/share/fonts/zevv-peep &
xset fp rehash
exec torsmo &
exec monsterwm &
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Hello
not really use Linux much....just maybe TCL to try to test that a machine works.
Sometimes i use a cloud desktop "www.ispaces.com" with a free fast "cloud browser"
inside it.
Vince.
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Hello
Did try that Slitaz......it was ok, but not anything like TCL. Well, infact it doesn't find video cards
proper, so you don't even see a correct desktop on the product.
Slitaz
well that is the two i tried. TCL and Slitaz.
Vince.
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not much for desktops, i just use TCL and openbox with a few wmapps for custom systems and workstations.
SCI linux i just use out of the box no X, i still dont trust TCL for high end servers and development for such is also taking place on other platforms than TCL.
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TC+openbox+bmpanel in my PC-desktop and my 2 notebooks. :D :D
(in the PC desktop there is SUSE too)
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mc+fluxbox(some very handy and sophisticated init-, startup and key-configurations)
+wbar+ipager+wmdocks(as slitlists)
on top of a lean configuration on a multiboot-stick used as an universal tool
for different netbooks, notebooks, desktops and raid-severs
together with partedmagic, liberte-liveusb, finnix, slitaz, porteus
and some boot-, hardware- and filessystem-tools...
this tinycore environment is my main os for private use.
at work i use lean, stable and secure debian configurations on different platforms
with a lean and clean xfce4-configuration for the desktops,
sometimes completed with some virtualized operation systems.
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i use enlightment to all my installations ( one in a crappy laptop, 2 in my desktop, and one virtualbox). i tried to "convert" the installation of the laptop to something like chromeOS (only the vital hardware support and chromium), adding chromium to x.d. and removing flwm-topside, to disable the titlebar (and make the browser look more like "kiosk" style).
but when i removed flwm-topside from onboot.lst and rebooted, all menus were gone (even chromium's native menus) and an X replaced the mouse pointer. after all this mess, i had a nice chromium wallpaper ;D :P (bleh!...) and no way to restart or shutdown the damn thing, except commandline and vim to restore onboot.lst, to get rid of the "wallpaper" ;D :P
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It seems to me that some people draw a distinction between a working environment and a "desktop" and some do not.
I, perhaps just through lack of a full understanding of the terms, fall in to the "some do not" category.
I load core with Xorg-7.5, Xlibs, Xprogs, jwm and wbar. I remove everything except "terminal" from wbar, then onboot load a file manager (emelfm2), a web browser (Minefield), an ftp client (Filezilla), an email client (sylpheed), and a music player (vlc) as wbar apps and a bunch of "little stuff" that doesn't show up in wbar... flpicsee, flume, xtrlock, xpdf, xonclock, conky_plus, sgmixer.
I don't use "ondemand" but I keep some of the heavyweights around for the rare occasion when I need them - gimp2, libreoffic - which I just tce-load as needed.
And "utility stuff" - ntfs3g, sane-backends, gtm5 (still), lame, asunder.
I guess that's not a highly integrated "desktop" like KDE or Gnome, but it is my working desktop.
Or is the question more like "what linux desktop distribution do you use?" Core is the only "distribution" I regularly use on desktop systems.
So what do we mean when we ask "What Linux desktop do you use currently?"
I don't want to sound like I'm ranting about terminology - but it makes me uncomfortable when I suspect I'm not using the terminology the way everyone else is. :)
In addition to "What constitutes a desktop?", let me also ask "What constitutes a distribution?" since I've seen Core referred to as a "toolkit" as distinct from a "distribution".
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I think most would expect a distribution to be a turnkey experience, even the mini and micro distributions.
Core does not offer a turnkey experience. Core does offer extreme flexibility.
I am delighted when I read Lee's post of his Core setup. It validates Core's philosophy.
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Hi roberts
I think most would expect a distribution to be a turnkey experience, ...
I suspect many people have too high an expectation of what turnkey means. From Wikipedia:
A turnkey or a turnkey project (also spelled turn-key) is a type of project that is constructed by a developer and sold or turned over to a buyer in a ready-to-use condition. An antonym being Bespoke products.
So if you just want to browse the Web, and the distro includes a browser, it is by definition turnkey, regardless of
whether it includes your preferred browser. Also from Wikipedia:
Bespoke is an English word meaning made to a buyer's specification (personalised or tailored). .... The opposite of the term "bespoke product" is the phrase "turnkey product".
which is what many distros try be by stuffing them full of "popular" apps in the hope of including everyones favorites.
Core does not offer a turnkey experience.
Core does offer a turnkey experience to those that want a system "in a ready-to-use condition" that is suitable for
creating a "bespoke" system by simply installing the apps that they want.
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Ready to use?
Ready to use what?
There is no default browser or word processor.
Most end users would consider these essential.
I like it the way it is, but it does not meet the public's concept of a distribution.
It is a mighty fine took box.
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Hi gerald_clark
Ready to use AppBrowser to set up a system containing only the apps you are interested in without having to clean
out a bunch of apps you don't want.
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I assumed the question "What Linux desktop do you use currently?" means which Window Manager do you use.. ;)
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I use icewm.
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Xfce4
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I find this site very interesrting. http://www.gilesorr.com/wm/index.html
Especially the bloodlines and Memory Usage Charts.
In my quest to seek the smallest yet usable, I am currently using SithWM.
Except I don't have a Windows Key so I changed the rc file to use Alt.
SithWM came from evilwm which I had used back in the days. I have always been mouse challenged.
Not to fret. I would not consider to make SithWM the default. It is just my current fling.
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Core does offer a turnkey experience to those that want a system "in a ready-to-use condition" that is suitable for
creating a "bespoke" system by simply installing the apps that they want.
that's why i like Tiny. i wanted a system to be whatever i want it to be, and not be whatever the others want it to be. download only the base and do whatever you want with it. one of my tinies (on the crappy laptop), is set-up as "chromeOS". the base core system, a browser (chromium), alsa for sound, and (an optional) filemanager (pcman). nothing else. for it's intended use (just internet browsing), yes, this is a "turn-key" linu(ks).
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I am delighted when I read Lee's post of his Core setup. It validates Core's philosophy.
Its not just that you can build a customized system... but that it is so easy.
The delight is mine - not only do I get a "distribution" that suits me well with a "desktop" that suit me well, but I get it "to go" and there's a certain validation of philosophy that goes the other way too... It is -not- the "natural state" of things to have to tolerate bloat and someone else's choice of apps and I'm not a weirdo for wanting it my way(*).
In case I've neglected to say it recently - Thank you roberts and Team TinyCore!.
As for desktop/window manager: JWM is my choice because it offers plenty of configurability and looks enough like MS windows to not hurt the brain too much when I have to switch back and forth between the two (I use Windows at work).
I had the idea that whenever I get a netbook (with limited vertical screen real estate) I would switch to FLWM (with the title bars on the sides of the windows), but it looks less and less like I'll end up with such new toys any time soon. :(
I find this site very interesrting. http://www.gilesorr.com/wm/index.html
Yabbut they don't list flwm-topside. :)
(*)... but I may be a weirdo for something else. ;)
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Hi Lee
Yabbut they don't list flwm-topside.
I think flwm-topside was created by MikeLockmoore by modifying flwm and may be unique to Tinycore.
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I'm using dwm and wmii.
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roberts,
https://github.com/patrickhaller/no-wm
how about this as the default? ;)
cheerio,
solorin
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funny :)
are there screenshots?
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hi, when I am using a coreplus cd I have the choice of 7 desktop types, and there are some more in the repositories to download. I think that was it what jls_legalize wanted to know.
I sometimes use Dropbox. It works with any of the desktops, but jwm has the best taskbar to place the icon of the dropbox daemon. So I have full access to the Dropbox Menu. (probably this also works with e17, I will try it).
Dropbox has a tendency to memory overrun your local pendrives if you do not kill the tons of 'Conflicted Copies' in time, so this is essential. And this is another reason for using tailored frugal installations for special purposes like this.
chattrhand
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I think flwm-topside was created by MikeLockmoore by modifying flwm and may be unique to Tinycore.
:D Yep, I'll take credit for the initial version of flwm_topside... just a fork of flwm to put the title and buttons on the top side of the window border to make it look more conventional. But several other people including roberts worked on the code in flwm_topside too.
On my old laptop, I've been using flwm_topside and a combination of FLTK and GTK (Geany, Firefox) apps.
I have a new laptop (ASUS X401a - cheap, thin, and light!) with Win7 and Xubuntu (Xfce). It's okay but still needs some tweaks for the touchpad and so forth. I want to put Tiny Core Linux with flwm_topside on it fairly soon.
At work I still use mostly Fedora + Gnome 2 while on Linux.
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I use Shell-Linux 3.0 and CrunchBang Linux statler
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I use Shell-Linux 3.0 and CrunchBang Linux statler
You are making marketing instead of replying to original question :(