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Title: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: andreas122 on March 03, 2012, 03:21:39 PM
opera-11.tcz   2011-Oct-31 15:28:10   11.6M    application/octet-stream
opera-11.tcz.dep   2012-Feb-27 18:56:43   0K    application/octet-stream
opera-11.tcz.info   2012-Mar-01 23:14:18   0.7K    application/octet-stream
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Title:          opera-11.tcz
Description:    Opera browser
Version:        11.60

the .deb and .info file the said that have opera 11.60 in repo.

but the opera-11.tcz have the 11.52! ? how can do that?
is someone remove the recent version of opera?

if someone have the recent version (this one that disappear) you can upload or just give a link :)
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: AbNoRMiS on March 03, 2012, 03:52:37 PM
opera-11.tcz reveals version 11.52 for me :) who gives more? :D
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: andreas122 on March 03, 2012, 04:15:51 PM
i try the opera 11.60 from scm reposity.
but it show the crash dialog every time i close it.

is anyone have the 11.61? i cant see no where.

anyway, i like the netsurf browser to see it on tinycore.
2.6 are in a tcz, the most recent is 2.8, 2.8 netsurf is much better than 2.8.
is eazy to make a tcz for 2.8? and opera 11.61?
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: Jason W on March 03, 2012, 04:42:24 PM
opera was reverted to 11.52 as 11.60 was crashing on exit.  Info file has the version typo, should be 11.52, but I will be updating shortly, and it not, then fix the typo.

No one wants a browser that crashes on every exit, so opera was left at 11.52.  Not every update brings a net positive result, sometimes a slightly older version is better than the latest overall.  So opera stayed at 11.52.

I will get to 11.61 and see how it does.
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: andreas122 on March 03, 2012, 04:47:13 PM
Hi, What you think about netsurf 2.8? (it is light, fast browser) as dillo, but more compatable, without javascript.
the tinycore repo has the 2.6 (before 2 years). i thing is a good idea to give a try with the 2.8 version.
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: AbNoRMiS on March 03, 2012, 04:50:33 PM
i even not saw a version downgrade
important that it work well :)
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: Jason W on March 03, 2012, 05:04:18 PM
I was just about to say that I was not familiar with netsurf.tcz, but I see I created the package.  lol

I have not visited it in a long time, but I will look at an update.

I am uploading opera version 11.61, it still crashes on exit, but we have to follow along with it sometime.
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: AbNoRMiS on March 03, 2012, 05:12:16 PM
it seems that over the past 2 years the netsurf become nearly three times heavier
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: Jason W on March 03, 2012, 05:15:02 PM
Goodness, in that case why not just run midori or a mozilla browser, and get much more compatibility.  I will look into an upgrade, but if it is so heavy without any real feature increases, my motivation to spend hours building and testing has diminished.
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: AbNoRMiS on March 03, 2012, 05:21:33 PM
i think so too
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: andreas122 on March 03, 2012, 05:32:40 PM
No No!, Netsurf it is light.

firefox, midori, chromium and others... are compatable browsers but very havy for a very old pc.

Opera is the only choice for a light and compatable web.

otherwise you can use more light browsers such as dillo, netsurf.
netsurf it much more compatable than dillo, and more a litle bit more havy as user above said, (but not have such firefox!)

anyway have a look up in the netsurf browser 2.8, it is pretty good for simple sites. (like this forum), and very light.

i think netsurf is more havy than dillo, and more light than opera, firefox etc. anyway am not sure if am correct.
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anyway you said that you are upload opera? i cant see it in the http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/4.x/x86/tcz/ (http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/4.x/x86/tcz/) .
is somewhere else? :) .
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: andreas122 on March 03, 2012, 06:12:52 PM
anyway if you see the netsurf, then see the gtk interface, i dont know if is sloware or fastest, but it is more nice, becouse feet more in tinycore, i mean you can risize the window, right click, copy, cut, menu, nice letters etc.
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: Jason W on March 03, 2012, 07:23:35 PM
I will look into upgrading netsurf, but any extension maker is welcome to get to it and upload an update before I do.
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: andreas122 on March 03, 2012, 11:30:37 PM
yes, and me i would like to make extensions, i have not setup an working emviroment yet, and anyway i have not ever make an extension, so it will be more hard to me to make the extension. meaby i will try the next version 2.9, (when i found time to leard how to do it, and all this stuff).  :D

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Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: AbNoRMiS on March 04, 2012, 12:59:42 AM
i can try to make it and also all dependent packages
by the way i don't quite understand why they were not included in dep-file
hubbub
libcss
libnsbmp
libnsgif
libparserutils
librosprite
libwapcaplet
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: andreas122 on March 04, 2012, 01:18:32 AM
''by the way i don't quite understand why they were not included in dep-file''

i don't know, but this libs are developming by the same netsurf team for netsurf browser.

the netsurf-gtk is the correct file for execute in the X environment, the other is for framebuffer.
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: andreas122 on March 04, 2012, 03:46:34 AM
i have complie the netsurf :D
and is working.
now the only that i have to do is to to make it tcz.

emmm, it contains many libs of netsurf (that netsurf team make for netsurf)
sould i pagkage in the same netsurf-gtk.tcz ?
or separate?

...andreas122
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: AbNoRMiS on March 04, 2012, 07:49:45 AM
compiled binary
nsgtk - 3.5mb
no little :o
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: andreas122 on March 04, 2012, 10:06:23 AM
and me i have compile it,
i see is 1/3 memory(ram) of opera.

so Netsurf is more light that the lightest compatable browser for linux (opera).
I have also make the nsfb but is not nice as nsgtk
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: AbNoRMiS on March 04, 2012, 10:35:11 AM
in nsgtk may be included experimental support java script
i had no time to test but in general i like gtk version
also remains to enable encoding support and pdf export
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: hiro on March 04, 2012, 04:44:06 PM
I already stated I have a configuration of 11.61 running which doesn't crash on exit.
It's highly customized in other ways, else I would have submitted it. But I think all you have to change in the default config for it to work is "Dialog Toolkit" in operaprefs.ini. Set it to 4.
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: hiro on March 04, 2012, 04:47:43 PM
It also has some kind of browser window and window panel resizing bugs which have been there for multiple years as far as I can tell from a fast google search around opera and other web forums.

So it's great when sometimes the alternatives work better.
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: AbNoRMiS on March 05, 2012, 04:45:42 PM
have just sent the netsurf-gtk to tcesubmit
unfortunately experimental support for java script is present only in svn version
not currently included libharu for pdf export support because gives error when making
also have not been able to include libwebp because of this netsurf hangs
work on this problems bit later
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: andreas122 on March 07, 2012, 02:05:18 PM
COOL :) , How you find the deps .tcz?

it said ''parsing the document faild.''.
in fresh install of tinycore.
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: AbNoRMiS on March 07, 2012, 03:25:02 PM
xlibs.tcz or xprogs.tcz was included to tce/onboot.lst in your fresh install?
netsurf install manual said the following
Quote
General requirements
----------------------

  NetSurf requires at minimum GTK 2.12. Earlier versions will not work. It also
  depends on Cairo for rendering, but you should have this already with
  versions of GTK 2.12 or later.

  This will pull in loads of things, like all the GTK dev libraries, the PNG
  and JPEG libraries, colour management libraries, zlib, OpenSSL etc that
  NetSurf also depends on.
make not given a critical errors
therefore all dependencies are granted
i have not included in deps only  Xlibs.tcz (zlib, imlib2, libpng[12], libjpeg)
which also should be installed and loaded for x session
now i'll also take a look
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: AbNoRMiS on March 07, 2012, 04:31:22 PM
sorry, old age is not joy, it sclerosis :)
iconv encoding was enabled CFLAGS +=-DWITH_ICONV_FILTER
but forgot to included eglibc_gconv.tcz
now i'll send revised deps to tcesubmit
Code: [Select]
curl.tcz
eglibc_gconv.tcz
libglade.tcz
librsvg.tcz
openssl-1.0.0.tcz"
regret to inform that now the total size of netsurf 2.8 with all its deps will reach 15.5m 8)
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: andreas122 on March 08, 2012, 10:27:18 AM
Good :)

netsurf has a framebutter version, to eneble it users have to compile like this:
Code: [Select]
make TARGET=framebuffer of clean source.
only english letters are viewable, but with a configuretion other can also viewed i thing, anyway.

Quote
regret to inform that now the total size of netsurf 2.8 with all its deps will reach 15.5m
plus i see opera is faster ...  :-X

Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: AbNoRMiS on March 08, 2012, 11:54:42 AM
in fact when using a gtk2-desktop like lxde
then the advantages of ram using has netsurf
but it does rendering more slowly than opera
this is especially noticeable on the old computer
now i will make and send framebuffer version
need to slightly change the settings and will show all :)
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: andreas122 on March 08, 2012, 12:06:45 PM
Before compile it, see this: :)

good, take to look to the configs, becouse when i compile the nsfb (framebuffer) it does not view letters (only english view), and i have install the dejavu ... .tcz,
so the gtk view all local letters, but the framebuffer does not, i dont know if this is a bug, or have to do with netsurf configs, or tinycore.

so take a look at this if you can, nsfb is lighter that the nsgtk i think.

check this in Makefile.defaults
# freetype compiled in font locations
  NETSURF_FB_FONTPATH := /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu:/usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts
meaby you have to change this, becouse tinycore have not the same path see the dejavu ....tcz file to see the correct path, meaby not, i dont really know.  :o
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: AbNoRMiS on March 08, 2012, 12:56:13 PM
i first try to ttf-bitstream-vera, it has a smaller size ;)
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: AbNoRMiS on March 08, 2012, 01:02:46 PM
for increases the number of supported character sets also need make the following
echo "CFLAGS += -DWITH_ICONV_FILTER" > libparserutils-0.1.1/Makefile.config.override
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: andreas122 on March 08, 2012, 02:18:39 PM
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for increases the number of supported character sets also need make the following
echo "CFLAGS += -DWITH_ICONV_FILTER" > libparserutils-0.1.1/Makefile.config.override

yes this is to libparserutils source, not the netsurf source.

so this effect the nsgtk or nsfb version? i have try it and i can tell that in the gtk version is worst.

dont put the same compiled libparserutils on nsgtk and nsfb both, becouse it is not look good on nsgtk, nsgtk look good as is.

Ι Ηave not try to framebuffer, you can try :)

ok, you can test the 2 most used languge in europe and america is this:

http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/

the others is on english characters most.
test this 2 pages to see if the fonts work.
Title: Re: opera-11.tcz 2012? or 2011?
Post by: AbNoRMiS on March 08, 2012, 04:08:59 PM
so this effect the nsgtk or nsfb version? i have try it and i can tell that in the gtk version is worst.
if follow the building documentation to both
bad news is also good 8)
to show any coding nsgtk needs dejavu-font
+4.8 ::)