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Title: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: vinceASPECT on July 27, 2011, 01:33:30 AM
Yes

You see these ARM chip netbooks sold on the web.

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-0-tft-lcd-android-2-2-via-8650-cpu-wifi-umpc-netbook-black-349-79mhz-2gb-3-usb-sd-lan-70760

they go NEW for as little as 70 dollars (ebay.)

They use the ARM wm8650 chip which is a chip that runs at 350 MHZ.

This same chips is also used in the generic chinese slates you see everywhere.


I have used these slates and they are perfectly fine.

There is also a proper Debian Linux for this ARM chip. There is also a proper Gentoo
Linux for this chip. So you can use Android 2.2 Froyo or Linux or win CE on these
machines.

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-touch-screen-lcd-google-android-2-2-tablet-pc-w-wifi-camera-tf-arm-v5-349-79mhz-70053

the extra USB Keyboard/Case is about 10 dollars NEW on ebay. (it plugs in)
(these slates are simply excellent)

These machines use a 350Mhz ARM chip. The Rasberry Pi uses
a 700 mHZ chip so it would seem that it should be ok for Linux.


Here are the free Linux distros for ARM.  ("Debian" and "Gentoo" and "EasyPC linux" and "Angstrom linux" and "Android 2.2 Froyo" and "WinCE 6.0")


Gentoo Linux For vt8500 ARM chip and wm8050 and wm8650 ARm chip machines.
http://trac.freya-webtechniek.nl/trac/Linux_VT8500/wiki/WikiStart (Download List)

Android 2.2 Froyo For wm8050 and wm8650 ARM chip machines.
here is android 2.2 work on my 2.2 just format sd card and copy file to root of sd put in the netbook sd slot turn on install and your done this is the only one that has worked for me all others after install gave me black screen

http://www.cheap-hack.com/files/wm85...505_V2_mod.zip

Debian Linux For wm8050 and wm8650 ARM chip machines.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1349626&page=118  (Post 1180)
http://projectgus.com/files/abrasive_mirror/wm8505_linux/1.0/

EasyPClinuxFor Vt8500 ARM chip machines. (Bento Linux)
Hard to find.


Angstrom Linux For wm8050 and wm8650 ARM chip machines.
http://devio.us/~nextvolume/via_arm/viewtopic.php?id=4&t_id=41
http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/

WinCE 6.0
http://www.4shared.com/folder/obg_q7SY/Win_CE_6.html




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I see that these Chromebooks are now on-sale. This idea of 16 gig SSD chip drives
and no moving parts and dual core atom chips (ultra thin laptop) is very nice.
Reasonable price indeed.  349 dollars.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00507ALBG/ref=s9_al_bw_ir01?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0AZ14S4GBB2GWN15VA0Y&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1309111862&pf_rd_i=2858603011


Vince.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: curaga on July 29, 2011, 08:23:22 AM
I just found this, a 199$ ARM desktop comp:

http://trimslice.com/web/

That would be actually usable, with nice specs. Though would require binary Nvidia drivers.
Title: Re: raspberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: netnomad on July 29, 2011, 08:51:56 AM
it seems that the Raspberry Pi really comes true:

http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/raspberry-pi-25-pc-goes-into-alpha-production-20110728/
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: vinceASPECT on July 30, 2011, 08:20:09 AM
I just found this, a 199$ ARM desktop comp:

http://trimslice.com/web/

That would be actually usable, with nice specs. Though would require binary Nvidia drivers.

That is a very nice machine

Also new slates with laptop keyboard and mouse are now only $89. These are ARM wm8650 slates and i have used them and they are fine. They can run Debian Linux right away. Also Gentoo. They are also 3G compatible and you can plug any 3G dongle over USB or 3G cell phone to get web. (they come with Android 2.2 Froyo)

http://cgi.ebay.com/7-Pc-Google-Android-2-2-Wifi-Mid-Pad-Tablet-keyboard-/170650783835?pt=US_Tablets&hash=item27bb94505b#ht_2927wt_934
What also look good are these "Macbook air" china clones at $279 dollar sporting windows 7  OR Linux.

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These Chinese Macbook Air clones are very nice at $279 dollar.

http://www.dhgate.com/macbook-air-13-3-inch-laptop-intel-n455-1/p-ff8080812ec71e1f012ecca168da3264.html

They have a 250 gig hard drive with n455 1.67ghz atom chip (64 bit capable and it's own GPU) 1 gig of ram and a remote control and other things and are a lovely design.

When you consider the UK price for a Macbook Air is 1000 pounds sterling against 169 pounds for the china clone it seems china win.

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/r/macbook%20air/0_0_0/

Ofcourse, there are differences, the major one being, in your pocket.  :)

Vince.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: curaga on July 30, 2011, 10:18:52 AM
At least we are in offtopic ;) but the price of that netbook looks far too much to me. Just last week I got a Lenovo laptop with an E-350 dual core, 3gb ram, 320gb hd etc for 200e (287$ according to google).
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: vinceASPECT on July 30, 2011, 11:40:56 AM
i see
 

are you not allowed to discuss prices and gear on the forum?

i don't know about Lenovo....sounds likeyou got a good deal.

The chinese one is not like netbooks. It has a 13.3 inch screen and stuff.

200e means 200 euro?....287 dollars.....hmmm

i think, if you don't want to spend much then a "used" laptop off ebay is
a great buy...... if you can collect it and check it.

As for new computers....prices like your Lenovo price seem excellent.

I certainly think Macbook Airs are a joke in the UK.  $1600 dollars in the UK.
(i even know of Macbook air Clones with 10.2 inch screens and arm chips
at $149.)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120698736121&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_6368wt_821

V.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: vinceASPECT on July 30, 2011, 11:54:58 AM
Yes

Are those e-350 APU chips giving the same performance as nivida graphics chips?

i mean, are they completely compatable and give the same performance as other machines containing dedicated nvidia graphics chips?

thanks

V.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: curaga on July 31, 2011, 12:34:17 AM
Quote
are you not allowed to discuss prices and gear on the forum?

You are, but I was offtopic in your thread (ARM vs x86) ;)

Quote
Are those e-350 APU chips giving the same performance as nivida graphics chips?

The integrated Radeon graphics are equivalent to Nvidia/ATI low-end, HD5450 or 8500GT. Much better than the Atom graphics, which is all that is needed at this level.

Why I picked AMD instead of Atom are mainly better cpu/gpu performance, 64-bit, and virtualization. Most Atoms do not do 64, and no Atom supports virt.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: vinceASPECT on August 01, 2011, 12:05:54 PM
Hello

i see.

Yes, i did not realize atoms can't do virtualistaion. Does that mean you can't
run Virtualbox on an atom chip?  (hmmm...seems odd).

I have been looking at laptops to help a girl who needs a new laptop. She is
unsure and when i looked into it, it can get quite tricky.

The best i have seen is triple core machines from AMD. Price versus performance
wise...but these chinese things are also interesting.

She was about to spend 1000 dollars before i made her realize
that this is not needed.

I was reading about "hyperthreading" . Many intel chips have HT
and it seems to be a good advantage if the tools you use are multi thread tools
like say CHrome Browser. I believe that a quad core intel chip shows as 8
cores in task manager.

AMD don't seem to have an alternative to hyperthreading other than the
low price they instead offer. Which is good enough...really.

I looked at the new "8 true cores" Zambezi desktop chip from AMD. It is
roughly 360 dollars and will run at about 3.2ghz per core. It looks like a
good step forward in home computing for low price.

The sister of the Zambezi chip is for servers and is called the "interlagos" chip and goes into server boards with 2 seperate slots (2 seperate chips). Giving a total of 32 cores....but i am not sure if 16 of those are hyperthreaded virtual cores.

The AMD chip you have, seems very good. e-350

i will keep checking.

V.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: curaga on August 01, 2011, 12:08:31 PM
Quote
Yes, i did not realize atoms can't do virtualistaion. Does that mean you can't
run Virtualbox on an atom chip?  (hmmm...seems odd).

You can, but it will be very slow, software emulation only.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: vinceASPECT on August 01, 2011, 12:23:30 PM
Hello

i never knew that about atom chips. You always expect intel chips
will just "do everything" and maybe a bit more.

hmmm.

i know that ARM chips are a different kettle of fish again. That thin PC
you showed with a dual core 1 ghz ARM chip will be really fast on Linux.

They showed it running Chrome OS too.

I have not really seen quad core atom styled netbooks, but i imagine
they exist. My friend is sponsored each year and gets a new Alienware
quad core laptop. Those are real expensive but fast.

V.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: vinceASPECT on August 06, 2011, 07:55:22 PM
Yes

You see these ARM chip netbooks sold on the web.

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-0-tft-lcd-android-2-2-via-8650-cpu-wifi-umpc-netbook-black-349-79mhz-2gb-3-usb-sd-lan-70760

they go NEW for as little as 70 dollars (ebay.)

They use the ARM wm8650 chip which is a chip that runs at 350 MHZ.

This same chips is also used in the generic chinese slates you see everywhere.


I have used these slates and they are perfectly fine.

There is also a proper Debian Linux for this ARM chip. There is also a proper Gentoo
Linux for this chip. So you can use Android 2.2 Froyo or Linux or win CE on these
machines.

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-touch-screen-lcd-google-android-2-2-tablet-pc-w-wifi-camera-tf-arm-v5-349-79mhz-70053

the extra USB Keyboard/Case is about 10 dollars NEW on ebay. (it plugs in)
(these slates are simply excellent)

These machines use a 350Mhz ARM chip. The Rasberry Pi uses
a 700 mHZ chip so it would seem that it should be ok for Linux.


Here are the free Linux distros for ARM.  ("Debian" and "Gentoo" and "EasyPC linux" and "Angstrom linux" and "Android 2.2 Froyo" and "WinCE 6.0")


Gentoo Linux For vt8500 ARM chip and wm8050 and wm8650 ARm chip machines.
http://trac.freya-webtechniek.nl/trac/Linux_VT8500/wiki/WikiStart (Download List)

Android 2.2 Froyo For wm8050 and wm8650 ARM chip machines.
here is android 2.2 work on my 2.2 just format sd card and copy file to root of sd put in the netbook sd slot turn on install and your done this is the only one that has worked for me all others after install gave me black screen

http://www.cheap-hack.com/files/wm85...505_V2_mod.zip

Debian Linux For wm8050 and wm8650 ARM chip machines.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1349626&page=118  (Post 1180)
http://projectgus.com/files/abrasive_mirror/wm8505_linux/1.0/

EasyPClinuxFor Vt8500 ARM chip machines. (Bento Linux)
Hard to find.


Angstrom Linux For wm8050 and wm8650 ARM chip machines.
http://devio.us/~nextvolume/via_arm/viewtopic.php?id=4&t_id=41
http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/

WinCE 6.0
http://www.4shared.com/folder/obg_q7SY/Win_CE_6.html




------------------------------------------------

I see that these Chromebooks are now on-sale. This idea of 16 gig SSD chip drives
and no moving parts and dual core atom chips (ultra thin laptop) is very nice.
Reasonable price indeed.  349 dollars.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00507ALBG/ref=s9_al_bw_ir01?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0AZ14S4GBB2GWN15VA0Y&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1309111862&pf_rd_i=2858603011


Vince.

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if anybody is interested there was the builds of these operating systems in a download torrent.

Interestingly they have the actual build file .iso of the Angstrom Linux for wm8050 Arm chip devices.
It probably works on wm8650 Arm chip devices also. They also have the very hard to find "Bento Linux .iso" which is a Debian Linux. build for vt8500 Arm chip devices.

https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6019823/7__Mini_Netbook_WM8505_(ce6.0_android__linux)

 Angstrom is under Linux and it's called  "mini......"

i also have this link which is a full Debian Linux with x11 and fluxbox for wm8050 Arm chip devices.

http://www.daupara.de/wm8505_linux/extpart.tgz

and also a full Android 2.2 Froyo (flash 10.1 support) for wm8050 Arm chip devices

http://projectgus.com/2010/11/froyo-...for-eken-m001/

the torrent also has the free mega-pack of 200 free apps for windows CE.  (Lot of free software)


Vince.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: cast-fish on September 27, 2011, 06:11:07 PM
Hello

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6667294 (http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6667294)

this is a build of Linux that mirrors the Rasberry pi....(it's a virtual machine ARM linux)

It can be used to build software for the RP....

V
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: cast-fish on October 22, 2011, 06:25:32 AM
first desktop GUI operating systems show up on the $25
rasberry Pi computer

http://www.raspberrypi.org/ (http://www.raspberrypi.org/)

Fedora 13 ARM build

V.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: cast-fish on October 28, 2011, 04:36:24 PM
rasberry pi has taken the top Silicon Valley award......for invention.

Parts orders have been placed in volume. It seems committed now.

V.

Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: roberts on November 04, 2011, 09:57:04 PM
An award for a non-shipping product? I truly hope that this product does come to fruition.
Not Novemeber, even December will be late and very limited. Doubtful that one will be available until later in 2012.
Nonetheless very interesting.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: netnomad on November 05, 2011, 04:16:39 AM
hi roberts,

moving from debian to microcore as my daily used platform,
i probably will move slowly from i386 to arm.
i guess that the great minimalistic vison and reality of tinycore finds its counterpart in the arm-platform.
like i spread the use of nice microcore-configurations on usbsticks in my direct environment,
i will start a little project with friends and family members to use the raspberry for the daily use...
do you think we will find a path to use tinycore on arm?
what do you think?
what do we have to help, to change or to enhance for succeeding?

thank you for your help.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: roberts on November 05, 2011, 07:30:25 AM
 I am planning to get one when they actually become available.
For $25-$35 dollars. That is something that I can actually afford! :)

I still have much reservations about arm processors. For example when comparing arm versus atom. First most will agree atom is not very powerful.
Running tinycore on atom make atom OK.

I have had the pleasure to experience Android (Cynogenmod 7) on a friend's Nook Color as well as playing with a first generation SmartQ5 Ubuntu/Android. Lately I have Android running on atom. Atom's performance is much much faster than the Samsung 667Mhz SmartQ or even the Nook Color 800Mhz. So, how well will a 700Mhz arm in a raspberry perform? Well for such a low price I plan to find out.

Hopefully it wll come to market. I think the lowest beagleboard is $89 so I wonder how they will be able to sell for $25-$35. Let's see what develops.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: curaga on November 06, 2011, 01:47:01 AM
It's so cheap because it's based on older tech - arm11 cpu, 128mb ram etc. It won't be close to current smartphones, and I find them sluggish too with their dual cores of a later architecture.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: roberts on November 06, 2011, 07:33:59 AM
I would then expect the performace to be in line with the samsung soc arm11 first generation SmartQ5 which sported 128MB and was sold with Ubuntu. Perhaps tinycore with minimal configuration would be acceptable. I would at least be interested in prototyping tinycore on it.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: bmarkus on November 06, 2011, 12:05:57 PM
Well, it depends on your application. I do not expect to get a notebook or netbook performance of course. There are many possible embedded tasks where such a board may fit. For example for Amateur Radio APRS gateway to manage one radio and an Internet connection there are applications available written in C, Ruby or Python. My server written in Python runs fine on ASUS WL500 router with a 100MHz ARM and 32MByte RAM from USB stick on OPENWRT LINUX. OK, CPU laod is around 20% but who cares. Radio is connected via USB, no other hw is used.

A second hand ASUS router (first generation) is available for $49 including housing and PSU. Any hw which can do the same for better price and a bit higher performance appreciated. This is just one example, there can be many others. Well, you do need video output. What you need in connectivity:

- min 1x USB 2.0 (2x is better)
- 10 Mbit/s wired Ethernet

Optional:

- 1x serial RS232 port
- 1x WiFi
- sound interface
- floating point arithmetic for math intensive tasks

Can Raspberry Pi used for such application? I think yes. Is it competive for $25? Definitely.

Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: netnomad on November 06, 2011, 10:58:00 PM
hi bmarkus,

i agree with you that also minimum hardware offers wide fields of usage and even heavy usage.
the interesting thing of the raspberry pi is the hdmi and the grafic-capabilities
that are shown in various videos in the web... often poor grafic slows down tiny hardware.
the only thing i would prefer is a bit more ram.
i experience that almost everything what i want and need is possible also with older hardware,
but it's convenient to work in a 1gb-ram environment.
probably the few ram will be the only limit that will be a bit annoying.
but nevertheless it will be great experience to expand this little board.
i'm looking forward to and i hope that we will get tinycore on it!!!


Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: cast-fish on November 07, 2011, 11:22:16 AM
Yes

The Rasberry Pi goes on public sale in about 4 weeks time..... or near End of Decemeber according to twitter.

All 10 thousand "parts kits" have already been ordered.

Assembly is by robot because the chip is special and needs re-flow soldering.

They are assembling them on a piece meal basis for say the first 500
computers......... and sending them out quikly....they hope people will bang away on the new boards
and report back that ALL is well in maybe 80 percent of reports.

When they have these 80 percent replies....they will then UPSPEED the manufacture and maybe
make 2000 computers and those will be on sale to the general public....and so on....3000 more computers
and so on.

WHen the webpage first starts selling they will perhaps ENFORCE a "buy one donate one" option
to try to stop a web site Frenzy....this will mean the computer costs 50 or 70 dollars for the first few
hundred items in weeks 1 to 5....after that, they will make the "buy one donate one" theory become OPTIONAL for the general public that are buying RP's. (So the computer will indeed by $25)

The computer will come delivered without any SD card. You must buy the SD card with OS as a seperate purchase from the website........or use your own SD card and download the OS from the RP website.

The computer will be powered by many CELL PHONE power bricks.....the RP has a micro USB power connector.

That's it.

There is no question as to  "whether or not the Rasberry Pi" will arrive as is mentioned in this thread....it's just a case of when it will arrive within a 2 month elastic band period.

yes

V.


Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: cast-fish on November 14, 2011, 04:38:13 PM
Ahh

the final Printed Circuit board is finished for Rasberry pi.
(the exact size of a credit card)

http://www.raspberrypi.org/ (http://www.raspberrypi.org/)

That is an entire PC on a credit card. Just stop and think about that for a minute
or two.

V.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: bmarkus on November 14, 2011, 05:02:22 PM
Ahh

the final Printed Circuit board is finished for Rasberry pi.
(the exact size of a credit card)

http://www.raspberrypi.org/ (http://www.raspberrypi.org/)

That is an entire PC on a credit card. Just stop and think about that for a minute
or two.

V.

Depends on how 'entire PC' is defined. For me it includes housing, power supply and connectors. A PCB is just a PCB.

In fact, technology wise nothing new in Raspberry. It is great especially its price, they have excellent PR and marketing, but it is just an SBC out of many.

A plug computer is much closer to 'entire PC' for example except HDMI video.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: cast-fish on November 14, 2011, 05:15:31 PM
sbc?

i just didn't hink anywhere else does it. Making the stacked ram
and the form factor design.

ofcourse, the price is so enticing isn't it. In my local town it just
gets you a round of drinks....barely.

Can you imagine kids doing google on these?...google maps
...... imagine what they will learn about the world in a year...

:--)

V.

Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: curaga on January 15, 2012, 10:03:52 AM
Looks to get competition already:
http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/52054-british-company-looks-to-create-cheap-open-platforms (http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/52054-british-company-looks-to-create-cheap-open-platforms)

Another british company says they can provide 3x the cpu for 15$. If nothing else, gotta say the Chinese designs are improving at a huge rate.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: vinceASPECT on January 22, 2012, 08:44:08 AM
Ye...thanks for the heads up

but

a few paragraphs of text and wannabee's is a million miles away
from Rasberry Pi...

The RPi which has a container of 10 thousand units winging
over the ocean from Taiwan right now....the Linux OS is ready and released on the website
plus a whole bunch of other goodies regarding media tools and usage of the Pi.

I think the Rasberry Pi goes on sale in about 10 days. End of January 2012.

however, it's nice to see competition...

there are already several products up there...but they can't meet the price
match of the RPi....also the RPi has a great great community and there is so
much going on with it right now....(i think it will sell out instantly...and they
hope to shift 30K per year)

i don't believe the NON profit thing with RPi for a single minute

They auctioned the first 10 RPi boards on ebay for people to collect....the total normal
selling cost would have been 380 dollars......they sold for 25 thousand dollars to people....just.....prooving the level of interest in the RPi...

You will be able to get a RPi for 35 dollars real soon....if your very very quik.

Vince.

Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: curaga on February 01, 2012, 10:02:10 AM
Can't say this wasn't expected, but the Pi will have binary blobs for the gpu and video decoder:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA1MTc (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA1MTc)
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: bmarkus on February 01, 2012, 12:55:23 PM
Funny. It is not allowed to sell to chineese customers due to EU export restrictions. At least it is what I heard :)

Never mind, you can by stickers in the mean time waiting for product.

Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: cast-fish on February 06, 2012, 10:21:50 AM
Ye

strange about the chinese thing..they said the Pi could be purchased by anybody
globaly..

The Pi should be on sale in about 14 days time.....End of Feb.

you will have to be quik because many people will snap up these tiny computers
to use as media centers. Even the $25 dollar version works as a perfect media
centre because a dedicated OS for XBMC is being made for the Pi.

What does that mean?

well people simply download the image of the XBMC Pi distro and plug the SD
card in. The Pi then boots up as a dedicated media center on a TV....nothing else that
a user needs to do. They can even operate the center using a remote control.
The XVMC distro will also come with a web browser and desktop option...so people
can surf the web from their large TV using the remote control.

Many people will buy the Pi just for the reason above.

I have also noticed how advanced "web applictions" are becoming...tools
like "audiotool" and such........ which don't require local cpu power.

THe Pi can already run Flash in a browser....it's not exactly identical to typical
Flash in win32 but almost...

(the community will get Flash working correct anyhow)

This then means all "web applications" can be used on the Pi..

It opens up the little computer to doing a vast amount more computing than what people think.

If you look in Chrome webstore there are hundreds and hundreds of free
web apps...really good stuff allowing a computer to do pretty much anything regular

i am still investigating the Flash thing. However Pi can certainly run HTML 5 perfectly
and many web apps now use HTML 5 not flash.

anyway (just opinions)

thx

Vince



Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: bmarkus on February 06, 2012, 10:43:29 AM

The Pi should be on sale in about 14 days time.....End of Feb.


Again... Just another two weeks...
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: cast-fish on February 07, 2012, 09:54:34 AM
Ye

They have the firm assembled boards completion date of for Feb 20...then the boards need shipping back to uk for global distribution... 

They say it will be possible to buy a Pi before the end of Feb....(this month)

You have to bare in mind, "China" isn't just down the freeway and turn right....kind of thing...right?

but they are even talking about going to the chinese factory just to make certain the boards
are done for Feb 20.

just wanna get my hands on one really...

i am still looking for ultra low power quad core netbooks.....fanless and with no moving parts...SSD
(they are available just very thin on the ground......ARM based)

Vince.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: bmarkus on February 07, 2012, 10:09:25 AM
No preorders, first request in first served basis. Be prepared for chaos.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: cast-fish on February 07, 2012, 06:46:53 PM
oh ye....it will be chaos allright.....but apparently they built all this chaos theory into how the web store will sell the boards...

i don't think the web page will hold up.....there will be 10 thousand orders in 5 days...
or something insane like that.....schools will be ordered POTS full....

just hope to get one....you know....(i am in the UK and have kind of helped the foundation)

i hope you also get lucky....

V
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: bmarkus on February 07, 2012, 10:17:04 PM
I will try to get one. At least as an investment to sell later and make money on it :)
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: vinnie on February 08, 2012, 09:21:58 PM
Lol, yout sense of humor are caustic!
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: bmarkus on February 25, 2012, 02:37:56 AM
Hardware is nowhere, but an 1.8GB Debian based ISO image is proudly announced :(
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: cast-fish on February 26, 2012, 01:56:29 PM
Ye Markus

they also announced the Fedora Linux Operating System for the Rasberry Pi called Fedora Remix.

Again, it's a free operating system for the Pi...but they have not yet correctly wired the powerful 3D graphics cabalitilty of the CHIP into  Fedora Remix....which is kind of a pitty.

I think the Rasberry Pi will be available for sale at the end of the month....about
a week from now...end of Feb 2012.

Vince.

Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: bmarkus on February 28, 2012, 10:34:56 PM
They are going to the right direction from the kitchen desk:

Quote
Although we are still waiting for units to arrive from China, you can start buying the Raspberry Pi today. We have entered into licensed manufacture partnerships with two British companies, Premier Farnell and RS Components. They’ll be manufacturing and distributing the devices on behalf of the Raspberry Pi Foundation, and handling the distribution of our first batches as they arrive in the country. The Foundation continues to make a small profit from each Raspberry Pi sold, which we’ll be putting straight back into the charity.

Starting with version 'B' (2x USB 1xEThernet 256MB RAM).

It is available here in Hungary at the local Farnell company.

(http://hu.farnell.com/productimages/farnell/standard/2081185-40.jpg)

Also interesting, that Raspberry WEB is available. Well they changed it to a simple static.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: bmarkus on February 29, 2012, 12:05:09 AM
I placed an order :)
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: bmarkus on February 29, 2012, 01:35:16 AM
BTW, it is version 'B'. It's preliminiray price tag was $35. I get it locally for $42,3 + 27% tax (single unit).
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: maro on February 29, 2012, 01:57:04 AM
Does this include the local shipping charges? In my case the price from the local Farnell page translates to ca. 65 USD, and at that level I've simple lost any interest. And of course it was not available for shipment anyway.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: bmarkus on February 29, 2012, 02:12:34 AM
They are 20 minutes away so I will simply jump in to the office. Adding $2 of anything it would be free to the door. In-country it is cca. $6.5 but free above $100 orders.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: cast-fish on February 29, 2012, 03:42:35 AM
Yes


see recently these "web applications" from the Chromium store have really interested me.
There are hundreds and hundreds of them for FREE which allow you computer to do lots
of stuff. The apps don't appear to use your local CPU hardly at all...so you can run several
apps at the same time.

It's amazing what apps are available..i was able to "mimic" many of my win32 desktop
computing apps with tiny free chromium web apps...in an afternoon. Radio players...stream
recorders....you name it...

I think this idea takes a computer like the Rasberry Pi into new territory....making it a totally useful
desktop computer.

Chromium can also run on Android 4 now....taking any low cost tablet computer into new
computing territory...

I love many of the free apps for Chromium...examples are

"audiotool"  a DAW as a web app  (Digital Audio workstation)
"radio player Live"
"Cortexit"  screen reader
"Dark scroll" word processor


but there are infact hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of these free apps

a really interesting app is  web VNC inside a web page. Allowing you to remotelty connect to another GUI desktop(server) just by using a web page on a local machine someplace.  (in other words any Public computer connected to the web)



Vince
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: actionbastard on March 06, 2012, 10:14:39 AM
I don't know if its been asked, But has anyone thought of porting Tiny Core to the Raspberry Pi?
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: bmarkus on March 06, 2012, 10:16:40 AM
I don't know if its been asked, But has anyone thought of porting Tiny Core to the Raspberry Pi?

There is a search button at the upper right corner.

http://forum.tinycorelinux.net/index.php/topic,12680.0.html
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: curaga on April 29, 2012, 08:32:20 AM
I did some benchmarks and testing on a Pi:
http://candgsoc.host56.com/
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: cast-fish on May 01, 2012, 07:15:21 AM
Thanks for that Curaga. You seem to have summed up the Pi nicely.

it just so happens that my demands are pretty lame and i would be happy
with the media center and simple desktop usage really.

However, it is interesting to see people start to use this Pi with Arch Linux. I am
seeing many desktop apps just working fine. (media players, Gimp etc) The guy
also has Chrome OS working on Pi now.

As for games, Pi looks more than capable as can be seen from Quake demo's and i
imagine this will appeal in the school and college circles.

They also showed simple desktop tools like Torrent downloaders working on Pi...other such
tools were working without any problems...also VNC runs fine for operating the Pi from another machine.

I am interested to see VNC work where you can dial into cloud computers. Android devices already have apps to do cloud machine access. The Pi also seems capable of this.

You see, i feel people are ignoring how the Pi can be used to dial into a Cloud gui desktop machine. That machine could be ,lets say, a 2 ghz pentium 4 (ubuntu machine) for example. I think this aspect of the Pi has been overlooked given that cloud machines are now free from Amazon.

They have the analogue Pi sound working ...it's alpha but seems to (Alsa) work quite usefully..

For playing movies i am not sure which app the Pi is using...it's some-kind of very lightweight Mplayer or similar build. For playing back 1080p Blu ray movies off SD card

Really, from what i have seen of the Pi, it's a good piece of hardware for the money.
This does not include the educational software that they will be bundle with it and your 5 free Linux OS's which are ready now. (that list may grow to perhaps 10)

Finally i feel it's worth mentioning that as a media player the Pi seems a good buy. With the forthcoming free OPENelec Pi  app, the Pi will be able to stream any HTTP movie link  (.avi file) etc. Having checked around i could not find any other stores selling media players with HTTP streaming capability for under 50 dollars (but mostly $100 plus). (android TV boxes)  Having said that, those TV boxes also double up as an android computer because they connect to the marketplace.

eventually when the forums and apps are all collected for the Pi, i think, in several senses, people will be getting a great device.

As for % per $ performance, it's up to the customer to know Pi's limitations...right.

Having said that, there are also some Pi advantages. Portable, Battery power and other things.

that is my 2 cents worth anyhow

Thanks

V.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: caminati on May 01, 2012, 12:21:27 PM
I did some benchmarks and testing on a Pi:
http://candgsoc.host56.com/

Well done! I read that with interest, thanks.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: cast-fish on July 21, 2012, 06:16:32 AM
Hello

not sure if this is the right Thread.


uh....

They are now making the Rasberry Pi  at (4000 computers) per day now.   That is a lot of desktop computers per day.....right    You can order them in Bulk Packs now.

I am not sure what the raw capabilities are, but i know the Pi can be used to "remote"
into any free cloud computer.  Opening up many higher lever possibilities.

in  basic Terms , the Pi is just super as a web portal, also using it for multimedia
and also for commonplace computing house-keeping style apps.  I think the progress
of the Pi is showing it's success.

thx


V.

Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: bmarkus on July 21, 2012, 06:59:27 AM

 i know the Pi can be used to "remote"
into any free cloud computer. 


What does it mean?
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: curaga on July 22, 2012, 09:28:48 AM
He posted before that Amazon gives free access to their lowest-end cloud VM, for evaluation purposes.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: cast-fish on July 22, 2012, 01:44:38 PM

 i know the Pi can be used to "remote"
into any free cloud computer. 


What does it mean?


ye Markus.......see the following comment.   

it is just a  style of computing.....large corps could use it....if they were

running say large date centers of thin clients......  " it is usefullness magnified
out of what the basic Local desktop can do.

Vince.


Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: tiny13corel on March 28, 2013, 03:19:09 AM
Yes

You see these ARM chip netbooks sold on the web.

they go NEW for as little as 70 dollars (ebay.)

They use the ARM wm8650 chip which is a chip that runs at 350 MHZ.

This same chips is also used in the generic chinese slates you see everywhere.


I have used these slates and they are perfectly fine.

There is also a proper Debian Linux for this ARM chip. There is also a proper Gentoo
Linux for this chip. So you can use Android 2.2 Froyo or Linux or win CE on these
machines.


the extra USB Keyboard/Case is about 10 dollars NEW on ebay. (it plugs in)
(these slates are simply excellent)

These machines use a 350Mhz ARM chip. The Rasberry Pi uses
a 700 mHZ chip so it would seem that it should be ok for Linux.


Here are the free Linux distros for ARM.  ("Debian" and "Gentoo" and "EasyPC linux" and "Angstrom linux" and "Android 2.2 Froyo" and "WinCE 6.0")


Android 2.2 Froyo For wm8050 and wm8650 ARM chip machines.
here is android 2.2 work on my 2.2 just format sd card and copy file to root of sd put in the netbook sd slot turn on install and your done this is the only one that has worked for me all others after install gave me black screen

Debian Linux For wm8050 and wm8650 ARM chip machines.


EasyPClinuxFor Vt8500 ARM chip machines. (Bento Linux)
Hard to find.

------------------------------------------------

I see that these Chromebooks are now on-sale. This idea of 16 gig SSD chip drives
and no moving parts and dual core atom chips (ultra thin laptop) is very nice.
Reasonable price indeed.  349 dollars.


Vince.

Thanks for the info, I will buy some on web, hope there's still stocks of ARM chip computer.
Title: Re: rasberry Pi (ARM chip computer)
Post by: bmarkus on March 28, 2013, 03:41:14 AM
You are quoting a nearly one year old post. Info most likely obsolate.