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Tiny Core get much ratings at distroratings top-10
« on: December 28, 2011, 02:05:33 AM »
Not only the latest 4.2 and CorePlus but way back he likes many versions of TC.
http://distroratings.com/top-10/

Jay he gives very high ratings compared to DistroWatch.

I am a reluctant noob so I am in a different category
compared to him. I find TC very interesting but I fail
to understand the descriptions how to make it work.

I am not smart enough. Sometimes I wonder if I should
set up a forum for us who fail to get what the regular users
answer in the official forums.

Suppose I ask here and fail to get what the answer means.
Some Mod comes in and tell me to read the Wiki or FAQ or
some other text that I don't get either.

then it is not so polite to ask again here.

In such situations it would be good to have a forum for us
that fail to get the answers. We could copy the answer to that forum
and then help each other out trying to grasp step by step what it maybe refers to.

That would be a great help. The huge problem is Spam. A lot of work to delete such all day.
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Offline yoshi314

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Re: Tiny Core get much ratings at distroratings top-10
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2011, 01:29:51 AM »
well, you can simply burn tinycore iso to cd and boot from it. and then you can run the installer to create yourself a usb stick with TC. shouldn't be that hard.

or ( if you e.g. do not have a cd drive ), there is an quick way to run TC if you are running windows on your computer, by adapting windows debian installer from this page :
http://goodbye-microsoft.com/

(this will not damage your windows installation, but only add extra entry to windows boot menu)

if you need more info, feel free to ask.

i believe there should be some support forum for people with really basic issues, and very basic linux skills.

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Re: Tiny Core get much ratings at distroratings top-10
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2011, 02:50:01 AM »
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... if you are running windows on your computer,...
http://goodbye-microsoft.com/
...

if you need more info, feel free to ask.

i believe there should be some support forum for people with really basic issues, and very basic linux skills.

Thanks yoshi, much appreciated.

I updated an install I have of TCL on a USB today. From 3.7 to 4.1 4.2 is too difficult for me to grasp.
RobertS and others have explained what is needed several times. I guess them are sick and tired
of me by now that I fail to grasp what they say. I have tried to follow their advice some three times.
Spent hours each time and totally failed. I end up each time either with a black screen with a prompt.

I have edited the onboot.lst or what name it had to include the files that is lacking in core.gz
but I guess I have to download them from the repo and have looked at them but they are too many.

My brain mblur out when I see all these files there. too many to choose among. Overwhelming.

Sad my brain is not on par with you guys. I feel lost.

Okay today I got TCL 4.1 going on the USB but it had too old things for OSS so it reported error on that one.

The Firefox was too old too. But the newest is FF9 and I need 3.6.24 but when I try to update then it
says I have not the priv to do it I have to ask the admin for it.

I guess I have to go to CLI Terminal and write sudo firefox and that would start FF with better permissions?
Would that be your take too or should one do sudo su or only su? So much more to learn.

Much appreciated you wrote this thing.
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i believe there should be some support forum for people with really basic issues, and very basic linux skills.

Yes but I trust the Admin and Mods on this forum would see it as too much noise so I would have to create
one at some other place

Friendly Forum for Linux Noobs  onfreeforums.org/ ???????

AntiX which is a Debian sort of has their forum there antix.freeforums.org/
And that works well. So I am very tempted to start one. Unfriendly users would get instantly banned :)
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Re: Tiny Core get much ratings at distroratings top-10
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2011, 03:33:09 AM »
I updated an install I have of TCL on a USB today. From 3.7 to 4.1 4.2 is too difficult for me to grasp.
RobertS and others have explained what is needed several times. I guess them are sick and tired
of me by now that I fail to grasp what they say. I have tried to follow their advice some three times.
Spent hours each time and totally failed.

i think the simple way to do it is :

1. grab coreplus iso
2. unpack it somewhere (or you can browse the iso file with mc and copy files out)
3. replace kernel and initrd with new ones ( vmlinuz and core.gz ). you might to alter your bootloader config, or rename files, as tinycore.gz is now named core.gz. either rename core.gz or fix the syslinux config file on your usb
4. copy extensions from cde directory to your tce directory on usb
5. add contents of onboot.lst to your onboot.lst, just to be sure you do not miss any required extensions (especially the X related ones)

find the UUID or label of your usb partition with sudo blkid

e.g.
Code: [Select]
# sudo blkid
(...)
/dev/sde2: UUID="0D8D-533A" TYPE="vfat"
(...)

add boot parameter tce=UUID="0D8D-533A" to syslinux config on your USB.


or, you can backup your mydata.tgz and extensions, reinstall tc from scratch and copy them back over, adding them from apps audit tool.

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Re: Tiny Core get much ratings at distroratings top-10
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2011, 03:45:45 AM »
If you've already upgraded to tc-4.1 (which I believe is the case), then I'd suggest the following to upgrade to tc-4.2

1. Use apps audit to update Xprogs, Xlibs, wbar and flwm (or use apps browser to download them if you don't already have them)
2. Use apps browser to download fltk-1.10 (and Xvesa if you don't have it)
3. Download core.gz and copy it to the same folder as tinycore.gz
4. Use apps audit to edit onboot to include Xprogs, Xvesa, flwm, wbar
5. Edit your boot loader to point to core.gz instead of tinycore.gz

Reboot
« Last Edit: December 29, 2011, 03:51:51 AM by Juanito »

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Re: Tiny Core get much ratings at distroratings top-10
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2011, 03:56:36 AM »


i think the simple way to do it is :

1. grab coreplus iso
2. unpack it somewhere (or you can browse the iso file with mc and copy files out)
3. replace kernel and initrd with new ones ( vmlinuz and core.gz ). you might to alter your bootloader config, or rename files, as tinycore.gz is now named core.gz. either rename core.gz or fix the syslinux config file on your usb
4. copy extensions from cde directory to your tce directory on usb
5. add contents of onboot.lst to your onboot.lst, just to be sure you do not miss any required extensions (especially the X related ones)

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or, you can backup your mydata.tgz and extensions, reinstall tc from scratch and copy them back over, adding them from apps audit tool.

this one sounds interesting

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you can backup your mydata.tgz and extensions, reinstall tc from scratch and copy them back over, adding them from apps audit tool.


Yes and a Big No! I usually end up with a big black screen with a prompt that does not even know cd or ls
but do understand sudo reboot which is a blessing

But the mydata.tgz I do already have one such on the usb I will boot again to see if all works okay and then try out what you suggest. What fails me seems to be to know what files to include in the onboot.lst

When RobertS and others describe what I need to add then my brain go haywire. Too many choices
that I don't understand. I do trust I only use xvesa now so that is what I should be using.
Can I move from the 4.1 then or do I have to dowload later ones that are especially made for 4.2
and the repo seems to very many extra files and not only the tcz files.

should be easy but each time I try then it fails. But why give up. I will try again now when I can
reuse the mydata.tgz if it screw up. That would restore everything.

Here is my current grub4dos menu.lst on the usb formatted to fat32

title TinyCore 3.4.1 tce=sdb1/boot/TinyCore TinyCore tce=sdb1 opt=sdb1 home=sdb1
find --set-root /boot/tinycore.gz
kernel /boot/vmlinuz TinyCore  waitusb=6 tce=sdb1 opt=sdb1 home=sdb1 showapps dmraid=on kmap=qwerty/fi-latin9
initrd /boot/tinycore.gz /boot/ntfs-3g.gz

Seems the initrd /boot/tinycore.gz /boot/ntfs-3g.gz make it fail to boot? Not sure why.
It boot good on tcl4.1 but when I change to core or coreplus then it fails.

Juanito. Thanks I will try to follow your advice too. I get back with a report to both of you
will take some time. I need to get everythign in place first
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Re: Tiny Core get much ratings at distroratings top-10
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2011, 04:57:53 AM »
Not sure what goes wrong. It looks very okay but still fails.
Ask for username and password when I try to start the flwm.

I am 4.1 now on the usb and try to edit the onbootlist and so on.

Now I ahve the menu.lst as this.


title CorePlus 3.4.2 tce=sdb1/boot/TinyCore desktop=jwm
find --set-root /boot/tinycore.gz
kernel /boot/vmlinuz TinyCore  waitusb=6 cde showapps desktop=flwm_topside showapps dmraid=on kmap=qwerty/fi-latin9
initrd /boot/core.gz /boot/ntfs-3g.gz

I've also tested to take away this part /boot/ntfs-3g.gz but that does not help.

Maybe I need to change cde to tce? Because it is not a CD so maybe it goes wrong there?

But then I have two tce so how do I keep them apart? It already now try to load from the tce dir
but fail at it. Them marked as belonging to tcl4.1 maybe? Why else would them fail. What am I missing?

this part fails due to never reaching the desktop
4. Use apps audit to edit onboot to include Xprogs, Xvesa, flwm, wbar

So I will go back to what Joshi wrote to see if that explains how to get to desktop.
« Last Edit: December 29, 2011, 05:00:04 AM by newbody »
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Re: Tiny Core get much ratings at distroratings top-10
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2011, 05:03:38 AM »
Yoshi

Why would I need the uuid now? have never needed that one ever before? Is that something demanded now?

Re these two

4. copy extensions from cde directory to your tce directory on usb
5. add contents of onboot.lst to your onboot.lst, just to be sure you do not miss any required extensions (especially the X related ones)


Ah that would allow me to add the needed files to the existing optional dir hm I tried that someday before and
failed at that too but can give it a new try. Okay I try
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Re: Tiny Core get much ratings at distroratings top-10
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2011, 05:35:41 AM »
Yoshi

Why would I need the uuid now? have never needed that one ever before? Is that something demanded now?

Re these two

4. copy extensions from cde directory to your tce directory on usb
5. add contents of onboot.lst to your onboot.lst, just to be sure you do not miss any required extensions (especially the X related ones)


Ah that would allow me to add the needed files to the existing optional dir hm I tried that someday before and
failed at that too but can give it a new try. Okay I try
cde parameter only scans cdrom drives for "cde" directory with extensions. or special usb sticks which contain special isohybrid bootloader. which means it will most likely fail to find your extensions (and mydata.tgz)

you need to replace cde with specific tce= parameter.

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Re: Tiny Core get much ratings at distroratings top-10
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2011, 05:59:33 AM »
this part fails due to never reaching the desktop
4. Use apps audit to edit onboot to include Xprogs, Xvesa, flwm, wbar

Maybe I misunderstood - I thought you had a working install of tc-4.1 that booted all the way to the desktop. If so, the instructions were given to start from the tc-4.1 desktop

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Re: Tiny Core get much ratings at distroratings top-10
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2011, 09:54:42 AM »
Juanito you did not misunderstood.
It is I who express things in confusing ways .My brain screw up.
I do apology. I did it all too hastely but after some fruitless attempts
I finally seems to get a bit of what is required. Not perfect yet, I have
a long way to go but I am booted in 4.2 and using ntfs-3g.tcz most likely
and can edit files on the NTFS internal hdd. I am booted from a Fat32
1GB USB pin. I make use of the coreplus.iso and use core.gz
and have renamed cde to be tce and have tried to move over files
from the old 4.1 but that did not go well I have to start all over with Firefox
which is new now installed FF9 instead of the old 3.6.12 that I tried to move over.

So I trust that RobertS has written somewhere that one do need to dowload
all extensions again? That is my what my poor memory tells me. I can be wrong though.

I fail to get VLC going but Viewnior worked after new install. So I guess should delete the VLC and
try to start over .  I would like a list of all the dependencies I should delete

Not sure what to do with the Backup save file. It works on the old 4.1 but maybe will only
mess up a 4.2 so I should rename that one and make a new backup.

Anyway. Thanks for your patience with my messed up behavior. This is what I barely get how to
so I fail again and again. But it feel good when it finally at least work even if some things need to
be tidied up like VLC.
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Re: Tiny Core get much ratings at distroratings top-10
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2012, 05:35:33 PM »
You sound familiar, newbody  ;) You're not one of those masters of that Tasmanian beta, are you? That Debian-based Meow Linux, or whatever it's called?


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Re: Tiny Core get much ratings at distroratings top-10
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2012, 04:48:00 AM »
You sound familiar, newbody  ;) You're not one of those masters of that Tasmanian beta, are you? That Debian-based Meow Linux, or whatever it's called?


I am not a Master of MeowDebianLinux :) I am more like a noob who try to get
what it is all about and totally fails at it. Sickgut is friendly enough to let me
be one of the admirers. I should not write so often in that thread.

Now lately I've read about Core having this new thing named SCM.
As predicted I barely get what they write about it. But it is interesting to follow.

But if you refer to Nooby over at Puppy that is Newbody here though :)
« Last Edit: February 01, 2012, 04:49:34 AM by newbody »
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Re: Tiny Core get much ratings at distroratings top-10
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2012, 01:00:51 PM »
I am not a Master of MeowDebianLinux :) I am more like a noob who try to get
what it is all about and totally fails at it.

You're being modest - you're the guy who first found a way to do a frugal install with Meow!

I recently downloaded Beta 2 from thepussycatforest.info, but I've been too busy trying to understand Tiny Core to play with the kitty. If I can get over the learning curve, I think TC may be what I've been looking for, but I'm still curious about sickgut's project.

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But if you refer to Nooby over at Puppy that is Newbody here though :)

I recognized your accent  ;)

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Re: Tiny Core get much ratings at distroratings top-10
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2012, 09:24:07 AM »
Thanks, I find Tiny Core to be very interesting but I totally fail to get
the descriptions on how to get them going. And now AFAIK RobertS
got very tired of messing with NTFS so he gave up on it.

So I guess I have to use USB if I want to learn about the SCM ways to
get an app. I know too little but they do reminds me of SFS in Puppy?

Do you get how them differ?

Are you sure I where first? Did not sickgut tell me how to do it?
But I maybe are first to get Ubuntu iso booting with permissions to
write to the ntfs drive that it boot from. But that is to cheat.
They don't want us to cheat as I do. So don't tell them :)
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