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Lightweight can be extremely bloated. [Solved?]
« on: December 23, 2011, 02:55:45 AM »
I give you no link but trust me on my word. Sometimes reviewers
tell us that a Linux distro is Lightweight of it is somewhere between
600MB to 900 mb or so.

Could it be about if them fit on an old CD and them was about 800mb?

To me Lightweight means less than 128MB or so. 600 to be is extremely bloated.
But I am known to be bad at English or terms even in my native language.
« Last Edit: December 28, 2011, 02:06:15 AM by newbody »
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Re: Lightweight can be extremely bloated. What does lite means :)
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2011, 05:36:06 AM »
Compared to a 4.3 GB distro 600M is really small.
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Re: Lightweight can be extremely bloated. What does lite means :)
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2011, 05:48:15 AM »
Yes but if one compare Lucid Puppy having 128MB with TinyCore 11MB then some ten times bigger :)

I am reading up on your struggle to get core running. Maybe I can learn from your experiences.
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Re: Lightweight can be extremely bloated. What does lite means :)
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2011, 06:19:57 AM »

I am reading up on your struggle to get core running. Maybe I can learn from your experiences.

It is fun, as usual testing beta versions  :) Stable release TC 4.1 works fine, no issues.

Just to mention, my production server CentOS 6.0 do not boot after 6.1 update but kernel panic, 6.2 same, can't boot from raid. Using old kernel boots but X sets up stupid video mode which is unusable.

No answer in bug tracking in 2 weeks. Forum response is "3 million system installed, it must be OK"

So TC is really a fun  :D
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Re: Lightweight can be extremely bloated. What does lite means :)
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2011, 07:00:02 AM »
Cool that you are a HAM
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Ham Radio callsign: HA5DI

I wanted to be one since a 10 year old BoyScout
and I learned Morse from old 78RPM and then from 45 RPM
and then from CC tape and asked teh Military to make me a
CW operator but I was not musical enough to be able to get the
rhythm above 5 WPM I did listen to shortwave up to I where 40 years old
or so but then I moved to a place where them forbid all kinds of Antenna
outside the window. :) I gave up on it.
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Re: Lightweight can be extremely bloated. What does lite means :)
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2011, 09:14:28 AM »
Lightweight and bloated are just words we use to measure our own perception of something
against a reference of our own choosing. In my mind, it's not necessarily the size of the download
that determines if it is bloated, it's the end result of the install. Even if the Tinycore ISO included
a repository containing 500MBytes worth of applications, it could be considered to be "light"
since you could install only the applications you are interested in to a thumb drive, hard drive, or
even re-master the ISO to load the applications you want straight from the CD when booting.
Personally, I feel it's when a distro feels the need to be "chooser friendly" by automatically installing
multiple browsers, office apps, editors, music players, video players, picture viewers, paint programs,
file managers, etc.... in an effort to please everyone, that it becomes bloated.
In the end Tinycore is only light if you set it up that way. If you want to make it bloated, you are free
to do so. Just make it "chooser friendly" by installing lots and lots of apps.

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Re: Lightweight can be extremely bloated. What does lite means :)
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2011, 09:19:33 AM »
Yes I agree. Some do have three browsers and that can feel bloated indeed.
I like the TCL is modular that is why I care about it.
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Re: Lightweight can be extremely bloated. What does lite means :)
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2011, 08:30:45 AM »
Cool that you are a HAM
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Ham Radio callsign: HA5DI

I wanted to be one since a 10 year old BoyScout
and I learned Morse from old 78RPM and then from 45 RPM
and then from CC tape and asked teh Military to make me a
CW operator but I was not musical enough to be able to get the
rhythm above 5 WPM I did listen to shortwave up to I where 40 years old
or so but then I moved to a place where them forbid all kinds of Antenna
outside the window. :) I gave up on it.

Don't give up! There is always a way, if you are looking for fun.

There are nice digital modes which work below the noise level, you can operate with low power, mean QRP below 10W.

You can use antenna indoor or hide a loop just below the roof, camuflage a piece of wire, etc. There are nice examples how others are doing. You need an antenna tuner. For example I made nice QSO's with 5 W output using a loop below the roof in CW or PSK31.

BTW, there are the WARC bands like 10, 18 and 24MHz. Clean, no QRM from contesters during weekends.

Propagation is coming up again, so one can make 10,000 km contact with 5W on 28MHz.

Also there are WEB SDR systems. These are online software defined radios able to serv many listeners at the same time. There is one for example covering the whole shortwave continously where you can listen HAM, broadcast, ships, military, etc...

If you want, you can find your ways!
Béla
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Re: Lightweight can be extremely bloated. What does lite means :)
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2011, 02:27:29 AM »
Seems to me bloatware is when the OS itself is huge, sluggish, takes ages to install, has a million and one settings leaving you bewildered about how to fix something, and takes ages to merely shut down.


From necessity I'm back on Windows; I quaked and put Win7 on my little netbook and I have been very pleasantly surprised by the performance. It seems to ape a lightweight system if you don't look at the hard disk space it takes for itself.
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Re: Lightweight can be extremely bloated. What does lite means :)
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2011, 01:37:28 PM »
Thanks Béla. No I am not going Ham Radio now but it was very fun all my teen years.

To Mods Sorry me being off topic but I got so happy realizing that Béla are a HAM radio guy
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Re: Lightweight can be extremely bloated. What does lite means :)
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2011, 01:53:20 PM »
KE9JH here.

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Re: Lightweight can be extremely bloated. What does lite means :)
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2011, 01:52:00 AM »
KE9JH here.


Thanks! I love that people care about knowing radio circuits. So rare nowadays.

Guys hope it is okay if I set this thread as [Solved]
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